250 GTO Recreation/Rebody

Hi all,

Have been thinking about the 250 GTO for some time now, and it just won't go away.

Recently thoe, prices has gone bit high, and i havent won lottery yet.
Ferrari GTO Becomes Most Expensive Car at $52 Million - Bloomberg

Options seems to be,

1, Rebody an old front engine chassis ( If I can find one )

2, make 1:1 full replica, and enjoy it on a trackday or similar.

Plan was to make body forming buck,
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And on that buck, a full aluminium body.

Either way, im gonna need real precise measures from the body.

and was thinking, does anyone have pictures like this, from the gto;

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/Early+Targa+Body+Dimensions+page+1+1232583261.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/Early+Targa+Body+Dimensions+page+2+1232583276.jpg

Original chassis pictures/measures too, wanted.

Thanks in advance to everybody who can help, much appreciated!!

 

Plan on spending well over the high 6 figures to do it correct enough to avoid mass ridicule.... I have well over $350K in my W194 reconstruction so far and I do not have a body yet... w194.com - Home

 

I know this car and it is well done

The Old Racing Car Company - 1965 330 GTO Recreation RHD

 

Brilliant

 

Although the tail does look wrong

 

You're not wrong about that. I was just going to ask if the body is a modded 240Z?

 

Surprisingly the body was made by Allegretti so you would expect it to be good. I last saw the car at an auction a couple of years ago when it sold for £200K. The sales patter is lifted from the catalogue. Based on chassis 7225GT if your interested.

 

Your work is amazing. Excellent!

 

Allegretti bodies are not particularly good. The early ones look terrrible to be completely honest.

 

I am sorry for posting this on this forum as many of you are interested in recreations. I see many rebodies and recreations of famous and expensive cars being made by entrepreneurs who are hoping to make profit by taking an old 12 cyl car like the 250GTE or the 330GT2+2 to make replicas of the 250 GTO, SWB, Cal spider, etc because the values of those cars have skyrocketed. Many people may argue people want to enjoy a replica of those cars at the fraction of the price but seriously, if you want a nice convertible or a fast sports car, arent there perfect modern versions of these for sale? You'd have to admit many of the motivations around these conversions is due to people who believe the rebodies will be valued much higher than their doner cars. However I doubt serious collectors with real money is going to risk significant sums of money on a fake 250 GTO no matter how expensive the original is. There are many other options for an investor to put his money if he can't afford 50M on a genuine GTO. I think it's a real shame that perfectly good 250/330s are being destroyed forever to make illegitimate fakes that only a very small percentage of people/collectors are going to want. I'm sorry for my tirade but I feel that we should not destroy these classic cars that was hand made by artisans.

 

sorry to say that but the tail of the replica looks terrible!

everybody knows how a 250 GTO looks. why are these replicas that wrong?

lack of skills?

 

Agreed. Allegretti are not known for restoration but given the number of replicas they have built you would think they would get it right

 

When the money is good there is no need for improvement. Those who order replica bodies don't usually have an access to a real car so they don't know how they look and never come to think that they are buying a low quality hack job.

One must also remember that in the 80's and 90's you could not google search for a 1000 photos of an original so very few people knew how these cars actually look.

 

A quick look on the internet.......

6689GT is claimed to be built off an original buck.

5815GT body was supposedly one of three original GTO bodies stored with Allegretti to facilitate a quick replacement for race cars

I love the suggestion that what is effectively 10% of the total GTO body production was kept on a shelf as a Kwikfit service to race teams.

Wonder what happened to the other two ?

 

The Greg Jones-built cars are worth looking for, but there aren't many. I generally haven't heard many complaints about their bodies being inaccurate. And, under the skin, they're VERY close to an original. Interestingly, ORC lists a '63 250 GTO tribute/replica that's been through his shop. It should be as correct as possible, I would imagine.

As opposed to many of the Allegretti- or Favre-built cars.

Personally, I would find a good one and buy it. As opposed to building one.

CW

 

Just look at the rear windows with no wraparound, as on a real GTO, on 5815GT (top 2 pics) and 6689GT and you can see there is nothing real about these bodies or the buck they were formed from.
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What kind of price are they asking for it??

 

..........OP. My guessing is that you are the person who contacted me last week and pumped me for information and a buck figure. Stand to be corrected. Once info obtained, you stated your intention was to buy a model and scale up full size to make a buck and my assumption was that you had wasted my time. You seem to have had second thoughts on this approach and are now casting around for easy info.

My view on all this is:
- Re-bodying a 330 is a bit of a shame. However, if you own the car this is entirely your decision.
- I would love to create a GTO replica at some point in the future (pipe dreams). It will have no Ferrari badges as it is not a Ferrari, but would be faithful to original car and have a Ferrari engine. Truism re classic car owners. You will as a general rule not approve of cars below the level of your own. Original car to re-body to total replica, to glass fibre replica and so on. However, we are all under the broad church of classic car enthusiasts so live and let live in my view.
- Getting detailed on 250 GTO has so far taken two trips half way across the planet to 3D scan original cars, £700 in books and many weeks of time post-processing and sorting data for body and chassis. Simply do not believe copying a model will get an accurate result.

 

You are definitely not alone with your opinion, Thomas!!

 

You dont need to cut up an old car these days. All the bits are vaialable as new production for restorations.

Of course without cutting a real old car, you are not supposed to put horsies on it, but so what.

 

Sir, I hope you are not directing this rant at me. I simply asked a question, I never spoken to you or anyone else about this car.

 

No. Not at all. OP means original poster.

 

Wonderful work.

Obviously a labor of love.

 

And no original cars have been harmed during this. 99% of the parts are leftovers from my 35+ years of restoring 1950's 220's, Adenauers and 300S and Sc.

 

Excellent! Do you really live in Naalehu? I think I went thru there in 1970 when circumnavigating the Big Island w/ my parents . . . You are a long way from anywhere!