The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

Répéter des choses qui ne sont pas vrai, encore et ne font pas leur magie vrai. Quelle partie de, par écrit Ferrari SpA a clairement indiqué que Ferrari P3 / 4 châssis d'origine de 0846 n'a pas été détruit après Le Mans 1967, mais jeté dans la poubelle de l'usine et que je "récupéré il" (les mots de Ferrari) et que j'ai possédé Ferrari P3 / 4 châssis d'origine de 0846 et d'autres parties que j'ai ressuscité (mots de Ferrari). Comment sur ​​le dossier public clair que Ferrari SpA a publié sur une page web à leur seule discression depuis de nombreuses années que je possède 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 châssis 0846? Affirmez-vous que ce n'est pas vrai? Quelle partie de par procédure judiciaire publique claire du fait que je possède 1967 Ferrari P 3/4 0846 et que ce fait est reconnu par US et italien des douanes et les autorités de véhicules automobiles et ne peut jamais être légalement challanged par Ferrari ou quelqu'un d'autre jamais Êtes-vous incapable à comprendre? Encore une fois, si vous voulez débattre 0846 le font dans le seul thread permis.

Repeating things that aren't true over and over doesn't magically make them true. What part of, in writing Ferrari S.p.A. has clearly stated that Ferrari P 3/4 0846's original chassis was NOT destroyed after Le Mans 1967 but thrown in the factory trash bin and that I "retrieved it" (Ferrari's words) and that I have owned Ferrari P 3/4 0846's original chassis and other parts which I resurrected (Ferrari's Words). How about the clear public record that Ferrari S.p.A. has published on a web page in their sole descression for many years that I own 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 chassis 0846? Are you stating that, that is not true? What part of through clear public legal proceeding the fact that I own 1967 Ferrari P 3/4 0846 and that that fact is recognized by US and Italian Customs and Motor vehicle authorities and can never legally be challenged by Ferrari or anyone else ever are you unable to understand? Once again if you want to debate 0846 do it in the only permitted thread.

 

Vrai...

Bruno, one rule here is to speak English, since this is an American forum. Politeness too. Because if you start with Polish, Russian, Chinese, Sri Lankan or other languages ​​or dialects, nobody is doing more.

On # 0846, Jim has provided all the necessary explanations with extensive documentation in support. Few collectors take the time or have the honesty to do here. The case of # 0846 is not unique. Dozens of Ferrari racing were done or rebuilt from parts and elsewhere in Italy. And all brands are concerned.

Thank you to share with us collector restores his cars. It could very well do nothing. I had never seen elsewhere as many photos of what lies beneath a P4.

 

Bruno, disons tres peu de vrai, pour ainsi dire; n'est-ce pas plus juste?

 

La, Jim, je suis tout a fait d'accord.

 

Que diriez-vous, nous utilisons un peu d'anglais ici les gens? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas passé six années de déclenchement d'acide tout en fréquentant l'école d'art à Paris et l'apprentissage de la langue, il est donc un peu d'une douleur d'avoir à aller à google traduire à chaque fois que je veux savoir ce qui se passe. Merci.

 

Talbot-Darracq Grand Prix T 150 SS Coupe.

I think these Ferrari's are not just beautiful. There's lot more to their appearance...

 

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This is what I have already said, and several others with me. 0900 and 0846, were both made ​​with parts 330 P4 and 330 P3. But outside the Ferrari factory, by hands and means that have nothing to do with it


C'est ce que j'ai déjà dis, et plusieurs autres personnes avec moi. 0900 et 0846, ont toutes deux été fabriquées avec des pièces de 330 P4 et 330 P3. Mais hors de l'usine Ferrari, par des mains et des moyens qui n'ont rien à voir avec elle

 

No, the chassis is the car; 0846 chassis was made for Ferrari in 1966, car assembled in Ferrari factory. 0900 was made for Piper in 1974-8 period, assembled by Piper - totally different.

If a car with an original chassis is disassembled and reassembled, whether in period or not, whether by Ferrari or not, it is still a Ferrrari and still the same car.

Paul M

 

The Truth. The Whole Truth. Nothing But The Truth.

Cheers

 

LMAO. You two should get a room.

 

Throuth is: if something is dead it remains dead and just no one can reassemble it

 

True.

The following is an extract of F-Chat member swift53's post: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-vintage-driving-machines/434650-classification-denis-jenkinson-what-cars-condition.html

"Scrapped" by Denis Jenkinson.

"This usually applies to a car that is taken out of service by a factory team and either deliberately destroyed so that nothing is left, or useful components are removed and put into store and the rest is thrown on the scrap heap for crushing or melting down. There have been cases of a chassis frame being rescued from the scrap heap and used to re-create a new car. In no way can the new car be described as genuine. If the factory scrapped a car and removed its number from their records, then that car has gone forever, and the nebulous collection of old and new components can hardly justify the claiming of the scrapped number."

 

When ferrari scrapped 0846 did they just cut out the chassis number section rendering that particular part a pile of tubes welded together, or did they go the whole hog and cut it into little pieces?

How was it then sold on? as scrap metal or as re-usable P4 components?

Anything man has made, he can make again, so I guess there is nothing stopping a skilled metalworker from putting pieces together again to create the whole.

I recall reading about the Lindner Nocker lightweight E type whereby the pretty much totalled original aluminium sheet bodywork was re rolled and used again to form the current body. How actually true that was, is anyones guess, but those were the claims of the restorer.

Heck her in the UK they build airworthy "original" spitfires from just an ID plate found many many metres underground at a crash site, surrounded by molten metal.

My own opinion is that any machine is simply a collection of components, ID adds provenance and hence perceived additional value but nothing more. Side by side each machine if to the same specification is as worthy as the other

 

What matters in the case of 0846 is that Ferrari in writing has confirmed That I "resurrected"
0846 on it's original chassis which they "binned" and that I have owned Ferrari P 3/4 chassis 0846 since 2000 and that fact is recognized by Ferrari, US and Itialian Customs and Motor Vehicle Authorities and those facts have been affirmed in a legal proceeding that can not be
Challenged by anyone ever.

Hard Cheese for some.

 

Where have Ferrari confirmed in writing that you resurrected 0846 on its original chassis? Please could you post exactly what they wrote. Thank you.

 

Regardless of what anyone else thinks of my own various cars and projects I am 100% happy with them, so I imagine you are the same with 0846 and at the end of the day that is all that matters

I guess David Piper also feels the same way about 0900 as does the current owner of 0858

 

"The truth is never pure and rarely simple". But truth is: Dead is dead and nobody can confirm or explain anything else - not even in writing.

 

Exactly and as long as all is totally disclosed all is good. Bit ironic that the new owner of 0858 is now binning the replica body David made and mounting one "found in Modena".

Funny world.

 

Then please would you be kind enough to disclose totally and exactly what Ferrari confirmed in writing that you resurrected 0846 on its original chassis as you stated in your post above.

 

There are some that believe only the The Lord can resurrect things. Ferrari clearly believes that I can as well as in writing they chastised me for resurrecting 0846, allowing that these are "glorious pieces" and most importantly has confirmed that I have.
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Steve it's all in the proper 0846 thread. Asking the same questions that I've answered many times over and over is pathetic.

The original documents are public record and have been for many years.

Ciao

 

What odds would you give on an original period P4 body being found alive and well in Modena after all these years and in a usable state?

 

Good question...

 

You're kidding right?.....He is actually binning the replica body.....
And that is a good point, one can all of a sudden be found in Modena?
What a story....