Yes, it was your post in the F1 section, Speedcore: I'd have given a reference except I didn't know how to link to a single post. My understanding is that in rough numbers there is the 100 kg fuel limit for the race of duration 1 1/2 hours. So using 99 kg would be at an average rate for the entire race of 66 kg/hr. Yet the maximum short term consumption rate allowed over a 1/10th [or is it 1/5th] of a second is 100 kg/hr. That is for that 1/10th of a second only 50% higher than the average for the whole race. And that doesn't seem right, somehow. I could understand the 100kg/hr limit if it were over a longer period, like 2 seconds. But then I wonder what the point of the limit is at all. I would imagine all the cars would exceed the 1/10 second consumption rate some time in the opening seconds of racing when accelerating from the start line.
And that may be what is intended- an hp cap. I think of it is a fuel-powered-acceleration limit: maybe it is to encourage development of hybrid systems? So, you're limited to 100 kg/hr of fuel at any time but you can instead use the energy recovery system. So, develop it more to gain an advantage over your fellow racers.
F1 can't help themselves, they've got the EU disease. Too much regulation, too much green-wash climate change fetish, too little regard for the people who follow the sport. These engine regulations started out with the objective of reducing cost, now we have impenetrable rules and yet once again the winner will be the engine maker with the biggest budget. Hello Mercedes. Daniel is disqualified yet the Mercs were 15kmh faster through the speed traps, where's the logic in that? Why not a 5 grid position penalty for the next race? Just like the Michelin fiasco in the USA years ago, F1 are experts at annoying the loyal fans. As for the hybrid drive trains, what a total wank. Use only 100kg per car in the race, then fly the whole shooting match around the world 20 times a year in a fleet of 747's, burning thousands of tons of fuel per car. Says it all about the green mentality.
you're right. They should ditch the current cars and make it a Prius championship instead. As long as Bernie gets paid, who cares about the punters?
The very fastest road cars in the world use this sort of technology. Get with it, man! They're quiet, but they sound amazing.
Following Daniel Ricciardo's exclusion from the Australian Grand Prix for exceeding the maximum fuel flow rate during the race, Red Bull has slammed the FIA's fuel sensors for providing inaccurate readings. Five hours after crossing the line in second place, Ricciardo was disqualified from the race by the stewards of the meeting for exceeding the fuel flow rate of 100kg per hour. Red Bull is set to appeal the decision on the grounds that it ran within the fuel flow rate according to its own measurements, but that the FIA sensor was providing incorrect readings. There were discrepancies between the readings of the team and the sensor during Friday practice and the FIA gave the team an offset to work to, but Horner believes that running to that offset would have made the car uncompetitive. "As we got into the race we could see a significant discrepancy between what the sensor was reading and our fuel flow, which is the actual injection of fuel into the engine, was stating. That is where there is a difference of opinion." Asked about the FIA's warning that the car was exceeding the fuel flow rate, Horner said: "They informed us [during the race], but we informed them we had serious concerns over their sensor. We believed in our readings, otherwise we faced a situation where we would have been reducing significant amounts of power into the engine when we believed we fully complied with the regulations. "It is immature technology, so it's impossible to rely 100% on that sensor which has proven to be problematic in almost every session we have run in. So it's surprising this stance has been taken." Horner is confident his team's appeal will be successful. "These fuel-flow sensors that have been fitted by the FIA have proved problematic throughout the pit lane since the start of testing. There have been discrepancies in them, even unreliable, and I think some cars may well have run without them during the race itself, or even failed during the race itself. We had a fuel flow sensor fitted to the car that we believe to be in error. "We wouldn't be appealing if we weren't extremely confident we have a defendable case. It's just extremely disappointing this has happened. It's certainly no fault of Daniel's. I don't believe it's the fault of the team. I believe we have been compliant with the rules and the documents and investigation that will be submitted within the appeal will demonstrate that." © ESPN Sports Media Ltd.
My point is not against the hybrid drive trains (although I think it's a crock, along with AGW - but that's another story) but rather the stupid complexity of the rules, which have diverged from the original intention of reducing cost, in the name of political correctness. Would they have disqualified Alonso for the same reason if he'd come 2nd? Of course not, Ferrari has too much marketing clout.
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I think you pair are wrong, there were way more Red Bull shirts and paraphenalia than Ferrari kit, the GP was a sea of dark blue .... of course the second most popular team colours were the Scuderia Ferrari Vettel was very popular and everyone was cheering him and using his one finger salute
I'm always up for a GOOD conspiracy, but this is just the usual F1 **** up, they've been doing it for decades and have become very good at it
Oh jeez Australian GP organisers say the quieter engine noise could breach F1 contract | Australian Grand Prix | Sky Sports Formula 1
A lot of fun? | joeblogsf1 Wow. Now that was a busy weekend I do apologise for not posting much but it seemed that I was busy all the time, rushing about during the day and writing at night. I slept in half hour chunks as and when it was needed and ate things that crossed my path (not moving, you understand). I finished the last article needed at midday on Monday, Melbourne time and went off for a long and relaxing lunch with a bunch of people who get together on the Monday after each Australia GP. It was fun. We finished lunch at 5pm and I caught a tram back to the city and will shortly be off to the airport to fly home. There is a bit to discuss about the weekend but the one point I think should be made is that if F1 is getting criticism for the new engines, it is simply because no-one bothered to tell the world about just how exciting these things are. Yes, there is a noise problem but acoustic engineering is not that complicated and if the powers-that-be can be bothered to do anything constructive this would be a good idea. The key point I think is that the teams once again excelled themselves. They got 15 cars to the finish and two of the retirements were caused by an accident. Given the complexity of the machinery this was remarkable. All the naysayers forget to mention that one. The racing was not too bad either, but I think it would have been a great deal better of Lewis and Felipe had not disappeared in the early minutes. Vettel too. Valtteri Bottas looked good as well and if he had not made a mistake he would have been a strong force too, so as much as I think he did a good job, one has to say that Nico Rosberg was also lucky. I feel very sorry for Dan Ricciardo because I think he did an exceptional job but the team clearly tried to gain advantage and they deserved what they got. Everyone knew that the flow sensors were a bit delicate but there was no need to draw this to the attention of the public. These things happen sometimes and it would have been nicer if everyone had simply played along and not tried to exploit the situation it would have been wiser. The bottom line is that there are some who do not value the sport beyond the value it can give them and so will do anything to try to gain an advantage. Ricciardo deserved better. Having said that I thought the drive of the race was that of Kevin Magnussen, although I struggle to accept the name Kevin as that of an F1 driver. We were looking for nicknamed and K-Mag was definitely one. I preferred Bacon, however, as in Danish Bacon and Kevin Bacon The other bloke who really impressed me was Daniil Kvyat, although one of the local radio men reinvented that name as Ky-Vat and seemed very happy. Kvyat is pronounced as Fiat. Anyone I think he was exceptional given the lack of testing he has had.
Red Bull was not the only team doubting the Formula 1 fuel-flow sensors during the Australian Grand Prix, but its rivals knew they had to follow the FIA equipment. As the reigning champion team prepares its appeal against Daniel Ricciardo's disqualification from second place at Albert Park, sources from other teams have told AUTOSPORT that they too experienced minor discrepancies between the sensor's rate and what their own fuel-flow estimation was. But on the back of clarifications made by the FIA earlier this month - making it clear that the fuel-flow rate being produced by the sensor would be the one that determined conformity with the regulations - no other team went down the Red Bull route and deliberately ignored the sensor reading. Instead, the teams have accepted that when they are alerted to the possibility the sensor could exceed the 100kg per hour rate at peak flow, irrespective of what their own data says, they have to peg back their rate slightly to ensure there is no breach of the rules. The winding back is minor but has become an accepted part of understanding the new fuel efficiency formula. Red Bull did not trust the readings from the sensor on Ricciardo's car, however, and furthermore ignored advice from the FIA to turn down its flow rate in the race. Sensor supplier Gill Sensors claims that 52 per cent of its meters are with a 0.1 per cent accuracy reading, with 92 per cent within 0.25 per cent. The fuel-flow sensor technology is new, and there have been issues with calibrating the sensors accurately since they were first tested. But Red Bull's rivals are adamant that teams have to put their faith in the governing body. Stefano Domenicali F1 Ferrari 2014 Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali said: "We need to rely on the fact that it is a situation that is well managed by the FIA, and that is it to be honest. "We have the FIA that will do their job and I am sure there will not be a problem at all." Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff said: "I think it is just all the systems have to work together. "The FIA is obviously controlling fuel flow and checking with all the teams, and it is a question of learning by doing it between the FIA and the teams. "The fuel-flow meter is an FIA system, and this needs to be integrated in the cars. "This is a learning process where the teams support the FIA and vice versa."