Ferrari crashed, no modern !!!

3729GT at Silverstone International Trophy 1963 crashed by Parkes.

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Andrea
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I'm failing to see where did I suggested erasing history? With 35 + years of experience personally restoring vintage automobiles (and with 30+ years of privately studying various conflicts and significant events/turmoil around the globe within last 200 years) I'd like to think I have some sense of history, which IMO is often not even close to what prevailing views prefer.
My point was just to suggest that SOME images offered in the threads like this may have unintended offensive consequences.
But then again, I also understand there are people who seem to get pleasure gawking traffic accidents and other tragedies involving physical or mortal suffering of others...

 

NART 365GTB/4 # 16343 at Daytona 24h 1973.

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Andrea
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Clearly there are two catagories of "crashed car" photos.
Images of fatal crashes are unsettling, perhaps though they are a useful reminder not to push our old cars too hard in all but the safest of circumstances.
Images of "battle damaged" racing cars where everybody lived to tell the tale are fascinating in a different way.
Also perhaps a useful reminder for the buyers of such exotica that racing cars all lead very hard lives and will hardly ever be 100% as built.

 

+1

To me, the photos are a great reminder:

That these cars were meant for battle, not coveting, with limited shelf-lives in mind and little value anticipated beyond their ability to capture checkered flags.

They reveal how the cars then were nowhere near as safe as any vehicle on the road today, making drivers' very survival, much less their accomplishments, all the more incredible.

They help us remember that the history of vintage sports cars is raw and sometimes unpleasant. For every "thrill of victory" achieved, the "agony of defeat" loomed large. Ignoring the sometimes terrible consequences illustrated herein denies us the full story.

 

Agreed. I think the photo's are important in documenting the history of the cars.

 

lets continue

0812 Le Mans 1963 - does not look like a minor damage
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0848 Le Mans 1966

famous pic by Schlegelmilch
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I am not saying that they shouldnt be published and certainly are of interest.
What is "unsettling" to some may not be to others, its a matter of personal sensibility.

For me it is impossible not to imagine the effect on the human body of the deformed steering wheels and shattered windscreens, and of course of the fires.
It is a reminder of the human cost of the sport and the terrible beauty of the cars we love.
It doesn't stop me loving these things though , perhaps that's what i find "unsettling".

 

Just as the book's title reminds us the sport was "cruel" and was so for many decades from the 1920s until just a few years ago. The danger factor was just a part of the romance and fascination so many had for the sport. The drama of "the crash" is still very much there but technology and regulations has greatly eliminated much of the "cruelty" factor and drivers and spectators are today surviving incidences that in the past were cruel disasters. The inherent danger is still there but what happened in 1955 and1957 just to name a few very "cruel" years is largely, but not completely, eliminated. Part of what us "old timers" value is that some of the great tracks like Spa, Monaco, Silverstone etc. are still very much alive and can be enjoyed without the tradition of "cruelty" that was so much a part of their past. tongascrew

 

that looks really bad. any more info?

 

0666 before all that got buffed out . . .
(from the "more old photos" thread)
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tow system…. no longer used
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3851GT's 2nd big accident. Ernesto Prinoth, Coppa Inter Europa at Monza, September, 1964.

 

Not a Ferrari, but if we are going to be showing the guts of these men and put the brutality and carnage of vintage motor car racing into context, I don't think the thread would be complete without, as I believe Tonga is referencing, Le Mans in '55 and the likes of Hawthorne, Levegh, Fangio, not to mention good 'ol....

Lance Macklin...
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A reminder of how developments in technology can make racing safer or in this case of drum vs. disc.... More dangerous.

Great old footage but if you want to go straight to the incident, forward to 2:55 in the first video .

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcDwxo30gro[/ame]

and interviews of how it happened...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZQkGXBFjhE[/ame]

 

Agree

 

Congratulations......... I think this is the best thread I have seen on F Chat in ages.

 

does not look that bad, but was Porfiro Rubirosas fatal accident.

 

from Targa Florio 1958 and unfurtunately a fatal accident as well.