Malaysia Airlines loses contact with B777-200 / MH370 enroute from KUL to PEK

Speaking of not reading posts/threads...that's pretty much been the general assumption the entire time..I never indicated otherwise. The passengers would have no idea that something was wrong. If this plane just exploded over open ocean en route to its destination, like you suggested probably happened IIRC, then they would have found the debris by now. Have you been paying any attention to this story, or just reading this thread?

 

currently the talking heads are not ruling out any event that ends in ditching / crashing... this morning's line of thnking / speculation is in favor of being skewed to the plane arriving at its' destination, through diversion / hi-jack... the speculated area of choice being the tribal (Taliban) regions of Pakistan ( which are NOT governed by the gov't)... this theory is buoyed by the total lack of any evidence of a catastrophic / abrupt end of flight vs the continuing inflow of specs of data arguing for flight to destination... while no theory is eliminated, a successful hi-jack seems to be gaining favor, gleaned from scraps of available data as it is scrutinized... it's still hurry up and wait for definitive evidence...

 

the new assumption is hi-jack, it does not matter who flew the plane, who cares... what matters is that it is assumed the plane made it to destination...

the people aboard are irrelevant to the event except as leverage in negoation

 

Exactly. Nothing is definitive, but so far what evidence there is suggests that something deliberate happened, at least initially.

 

Link to source?

 

Here's an interesting theory Pete

http://mh370shadow.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

My apologies if it's a repost.


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They would? Why do you feel that way? Have you seen the size of the search area? It took 2 years to find the Air France crash. Sure, it took a week or so to find some debris but that search area was smaller. Could be there is or was debris and it either sank or is mixed in with a bunch of other sea garbage.

They may never find the debris. It may just wash up on California one day. Who knows?

 

I disagree. No evidence shows anything deliberate happened. The plane was being tracked and then it was gone. This could be explosion, it could have gone out of service area. That's all we know.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f68VXKMZT1Q

Just kidding . Enjoying your level headed honest approach.

 

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Thoughts on this? Is the plane the correct shape? Apologies if it's been posted before!

 

After looking at the photos, I conclude that aircraft is not a 777 neither is it wearing the livery of Malaysia Airlines ---- I don't know what it is......but, it sure ain't MH370.

 

Same here.

 

That's just a plane captured on a satellite image. There are probably hundreds or thousands of satellite images with planes in them. Not to mention, MH370 disappeared at night IIRC.

 

retired general "in the know" on fox news states plane is in pakistan under taliban control. says it will play out in 2-3 days. we shall see......

 

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Good argument dispelling all other theories.

 

Actually the best, most sensible speculation I've seen yet. I'd give it a 95% chance of being basically correct.

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They found surface debris of that South African flight within 12 hours of the accident!

Furthermore, they made a distress call.

Nothing like the Malaysian 777.

 

I thought it was probably an in-flight fire as well, before I learned about the satellite pings.

However, I've never heard of an aircraft with an in-flight fire which then continued to fly for hours, let alone still had power for some (but only some!) avionics equipment.

 

That would be a rare fire indeed! It burns up certain systems then extinguishes itself so the plane can fly on for hours.

Why no ELT in this scenario? Although water crashes have a spotty record with ELT transmissions...

The hard part in analyzing these comprehensive scenarios is that they rely on certain facts which seem to be in flux, on an almost daily basis. This incident has likely set a record, by a mile, of contradictory facts flip-flopping all garnered from "high-level sources"...

 

Most believable scenario I have heard thus far.

 

They're now reporting that the aircraft turned well BEFORE the copilot made his "........ good night" sign off but reading between the lines it's obvious they're making this up based on misunderstanding the facts. A turn while still talking to the Malaysian controller makes no sense since they still had transponder information (which tells everything about the flight path) and ATC would have noticed a significant flight path deviation.

As a retired 767 captain (and ex Navy Fighter Pilot) I can agree with the link about having an emergency divert airfield in mind and in nearly all cases already programmed into the Flight Management Computer. This was routine when I flew the North Atlantic. The emergency route just sits there in the computer waiting to be activated in case of a fire. I think entering this divert field into the FMC is what the media is misinterpreting as a turn. It's really a potential turn and that's all.

And the only evidence I've seen that says anything about the aircraft actually being off course is based on a few unrelated skin paint returns from several military radar sites. These targets, as far as I know, were not being tracked as a threat or a lost airliner. They are nothing more than unknown random returns which MIGHT be the 777. They also might be a flock of geese on a STO (second time around) radar echo. None of these blips were confirmed as the 777, yet the government and many news organizations are reporting these contacts as being just as valid as the previous transponder returns. This is WAY overstating the reliability of these unvalidated skin paint returns, which unlike transponder returns tell almost nothing about the aircraft flight path.

Although a fire and a turn toward the emergency field followed by loss of the aircraft is certainly a good theory, the evidence of any actual left turn is so sketchy in my professional opinion that it's just a likely that everything was normal and then the aircraft suddenly failed because of fire or explosion caused by a bomb.

The remaining mystery is the engine data hand-shaking many many hours later which positions the aircraft on an arc up toward the Caspian sea. If this is really true, and it seems a bit unlikely to me, then I'd bet on the aircraft being in Pakastan or Iran.

 

I surely will not disagree with a retired ex-F8 driver, the last true fighter there was...and, by the way, subject to a form of cult here in France; those flying in the French Navy were retired only at the end of 1999, and some were hoping that those last ones (about a dozen) would be flying forever. Hats off to you. But I digress.

Back to the topic: as I wrote yesterday, the french press was underlining all the contradictions in the sequence of evenements and datas as given by Malaysian Airlines officials along the last ten days. I wouldn't trust any sequence of events as long as these minutes/seconds are not from an internationaly recognised organisation.
It also seems that all the patrol planes that are supposed to comb the seas and oceans despatched by the different nations participating in the searches has remained grounded for two hours the day before waiting for officials authorisations to fly...

 

And, the US Navy has pulled all its ships off the search. India has completely withdrawn from the search effort, as well.