Absolutely. And the video you posted earlier was thrilling. But such a dangerous way of racing is a 100% nogo today for a global sport like F1. People who want to abandon all the rules of F1 and just mate a big honkin' engine with monster slicks and no wings are basically asking for mayhem and death. This would never fly. PS: One day I want to go to the Isle of Man and follow the track route in a rental. The place looks awesome and this race is a classic. But also a dinosaur in today's world.
when in 1993 people fight at UFC1 public audience was in shock and today UFC is popular around the world, you can't be sure in which way motorsport will go, extreme sports became popular nowadays
Even UFC is tame now compared to UFC 1. Back then it was pretty much no holds barred with no weight classes.
The Isle of Man TT is the ultimate bike race; there is just nothing else to compare it to. It's the ultimate test, the Holy Grail of motorcycle racing. Any other circuit is just Mickey Mouse compared to the TT. It has crowned the best when it was part of the World Championship. In fact, it wasn't the casualty rate that got him removed from the Championship calendar, but the refusal from the organisers to pay the exorbitant starting fees some riders were asking to race there: Phill Read, Agostini, Mike Hailwood, etc... Without the stars, the championship couldn't go there and it was dropped. The irony is that some of the riders who did refused to race then, came back later and won races. So the safety aspect didn't bother them too much!
Totally agree. The reason was though that the won't get any more factory support unless the formula goes green so they can use the excuse to keep racing. The entire idea was designed for 3 things to keep Renault and Mercedes and add Honda 1) Make it cheaper to keep engine makers in the series (this is also why they limit engine replacement -- the fewer repairs, the lower the costs). Now the remote engineers stop the cars or detune them during the race if they see a potential problem that may cause engine damage. 2) Standardize the series for a long period of time so that makers don't need to retool all the time and play catch up with each other. 3) Make them green so that the makers can use the excuse that racing is good for green. Using the marketing of F1 to promote their own brands and greener street cars. F1 is not about racing. Its about marketing. Today their marketing message is it's good to be green. I doubt they can ever reverse that course once on it.
Agreed on all that. It is not much different from what I've been saying all along: F1 has to be relevant to the car makers so there is a connection between F1 engines and road car engines (no matter how thin that thread might be) and therefore it has to be somewhat green. Win Sunday, sell Monday. The difference between you and me is that you think this is bad and I think it is good. Different strokes.
Well that brings up 2 points -- (1) with the money F1 brings in they could hire someone like Ricardo or Cosworth to be the engine supplier to any teams who can't get an outside manufacturer like Cosworth and Judd used to do. (2) if they structured F1 right, like they almost did a few years back, by getting rid of the middleman and emulating American Baseball/Football the teams would be so rich they could build their own engines and either way make a formula, either 86 turbo/like or 94 normally aspirated like and stick with it for a long time. It's the constant changes that cost.
I love this paragraoh from one of the sites; can't remember which one '...As with the way the whole Ricciardo situation was handled, and the new sound of F1, the stripped down live timing facility clearly demonstrates how the sport's powers that be feel about the fans. I honestly cannot think of any other sport that so wantonly sets about annoying its core customers...' Im embarrassed at how the news cars look, and sound. If it weren't for Ferrari, I'd be pretty much done for this year....
I watch it in bits and pieces and it was on about 10 years ago on one of the outdoor activities type channels in the US. There just aren't enough serious riders in the US to make an audience for any advertiser. Most old wealthy guys are riding harley's, not sportbikes. I certainly don't want to see accidents when I watch it, I watch skill and machinery working at the peak. As for F1, they have made it safe and can keep it safe while still adding lots of power and sliding slicks.
The V12 days ended in 1995 and were formally prohibited in 2000. A long time ago. Meanwhile, 30 years ago, the World Championship winning car was powered by a ... 1.5L V-6! They've had prescriptive regulations for decades. Max cylinder count, max valves per cylinder, minimum weight, crankshafts must be steel, no composite blocks or heads, no turbines/rotaries/diesels, 2wd only, no ground effects, no this, no that, etc. For most of its history (and most of our lifetimes), F1 has not borne any resemblance to the no-holds-barred engineering free-for-all that some imagine. 2014 is more of the same.
Only in qualifying trim. (and only about 40% greater at that) After qualifying, the engine was toast, a race engine would be installed for the actual race. In race trim, the power might be about the same as the new V6 with ERS. That qualifying engine peak power would be why there is now an instantaneous fuel flow limit as well as the total quantity limit.
It's good for marketing. It's bad for excitement. No one wants to see a science experiment. They want to see an explosion. If the science experiment explodes, it's better. This one more like "blows".
I have heard the wail of all F1 cars live going back to the turbo cars of the 80s. LOL And the present F1 racecars sound like ****. Don't even need to or even care to hear them at a racetrack. They will address the sound...and you will need to still wear your ear protection at the track. Sorry for that, most passionate F1 fan. Getting old sucks.
Actually I'm pretty certain they sound different/better at the track than on TV. That would only be logical and is also within what some on here reported back from Melbourne (e.g. Aircon). I hope they do. I'm no fan of this sound either but to me F1 has so many more aspects, that a downgrade in one of them doesn't mean I'll throw the baby out with the bathtub. I rarely ever do. My hearing is very good but I'm just not focusing on the sound very much. Only with covered stands as in Silverstone or Indy were earplugs really necessary. Not even close to most, but I take passionate. Or F1 fanatic. Yes, but it beats the alternative.
2014 "Total horsepower: Approximately 600hp (ICE) + 160hp (ERS)" vs. " And by 1986, the power figures were becoming quite crazy- all of the engines had unrestricted turbo boost in qualifying, where they were developing 1,350+ hp at 5.5 bar boost (80 psi). These engines and gearboxes would only last about 2-3 laps, and for the race, the turbocharger's boost was restricted to ensure engine reliability; but the engines still produced 950-1000 hp during the race." 1987; "The MP4/3 is the pinnacle of the development of the McLaren TAG-Porsche partnership. The Porsche-TAG engine featured an updated Motronic 1.7 engine management system, and now produced 960 bhp (720 kW) in race trim and 1,060 bhp (790 kW) in qualifying." "the system added significant weight to the car (approx 25kg or 55lb) and also robbed the Honda turbo of approximately 5% of its power (the RA166-E was rated at approximately 900 bhp (671 kW; 912 PS) with 1987s 4.0 Bar turbo boost restriction). " "In 1987 Benetton effectively became the Ford works team in F1 as they had exclusive use of the turbocharged Ford TEC V6 engine for 1987, rated at approximately 900 bhp (671 kW; 912 PS)." "The Zakspeed 871 was a Formula One car designed by Chris Murphy and Heinz Zollner and raced by Zakspeed in the 1987 Formula One season. The car was powered by the team's own 1.5 litre, 1500/4 straight 4 turbo engine, which was rated at about 920 bhp (686 kW; 933 PS) for the season." Renault - Renault EF15 http://thejudge13.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/renault_rs01_goodwood_2011-9.jpg http://cdn-images.9cloud.us/9/9hmhi_1561615888.jpg good articles comparing old and new #F1 Features: The Formula 1 Turbo Era ? Part 3 ? The Cars | thejudge13 Gas 2 | Bridging the gap between green heads and gear heads.
I went to Austin last year because I knew it was the last year of V8's. To be honest, it wasn't that loud to where I needed ear protection IMO. Then again, I was used to hearing F-18s, EA-6Bs, AV-8Bs, KC-130s, etc.. on a daily basis. some of those which are way louder than any F1 car.
Formula 1: Are the new V6 turbo hybrid engines 'too quiet'? BBC Sport - Formula 1: Are the new V6 turbo hybrid engines 'too quiet'? "Boullier pointed out that the engines mirror the direction of the road-car industry and had been embraced by manufacturers. "This new power-unit we have developed is a completely industry-relevant engine formula and this is why we could attract some new engine manufacturers and keep some of them on board actually," he said. Renault, one of the three companies producing the engines, threatened to quit F1 if the sport did not introduce a new formula that reflected the greater efficiency now popular in road-car power-plants. And Honda, which quit F1 in 2008, has decided to come back to the sport with McLaren in 2015. "
