Malaysia Airlines loses contact with B777-200 / MH370 enroute from KUL to PEK

You mean this one ?

LOL --- So secret that anyone with internet access / google earth can see photos of it....and read all about it....

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Plus, once seized, the spooks transport that particular type of "cargo" in their own private jets --- and give the "cargo" food and water along the way . They don't drag a commercial airliner's worth of innocent passengers along for the transport ride .
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Nothing unusual about that transcript other than some completely non-standard ATC language like "Please get on the runway" ! LOL.

Standard is "MH370, you're CLEARED onto runway xxx to position and hold"

"runway ready, permitted to take off"

Standard is "MH370, you're cleared for takeoff, runway xxx"

 

No passenger plane, actually any plane (including the 787), should by international law be allowed to carry those batteries. If this is the cause then I hope Malasian Airlines is bankrupted by a massive lawsuit ... so those things are never transported via air again! Anything that spontaneously combusts should not even be allowed to reach an airport let alone get on a plane ... and yes Boeing IMO made a mistake with the 787 and IMO they should be grounded until those batteries are not part of the solution, and yes I don't care if that means the company folds ... it was their silly decision as the technology is too immature for non-military flight. I would never get on one, even if it meant loosing my job.

Heck when I get on my next flight I feel like requesting a cargo list.
Pete

 

Well, it is always easy to criticise, but since the beginning Malaysia Airlines didn't exactly shine in the way they have been dealing with the release of information...

Rgds

 

NEW DEVELOPMENT

China says they have a fresh satellite image(s) of a new "floating object" in the Southern search corridor area ---- measures approx 22m x 30m

Notification presented to Malaysian authorities -- reported at Malaysian press conference just now -- information release from Chinese authorities to follow soon.

 

David,

Very small addition: here they are saying three objects, not one, but more important, that the picture were taken 13 days ago,the day after the plane disappeared. That will certainly not help the task of the researchers; planes are already flying towards the zone.

Rgds

 

Thanks Nerofer,

Probably a good clarification.....

I miss being in Europe ---- you folks get better news reporting overall than we do here in the States.

 

Correction again:
XinHua (Chinese news agency??) now reports that the pictures were taken this Tuesday, March 18th, at about noon, and that the main object is NOT 22 x 30 m, but 22 x 13 m. Planes and ships are en route towards said zone.

Rgds

 

Another reason to bring manufacturing back to U.S. Sorry to reply off topic but the thought was there.

 

They also claim that both Navy Seals were killed while protecting this cargo. Protecting batteries by Navy Seals? Really? I get this funny feeling that we are not being told the whole truth here!
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Not quite. Google Earth and other public satellites don't and aren't providing real time or even recent images.

Not to mention that island is temporary home to 5000 contractors. Plenty of food and water there plus, I believe hangars large enough to hide a 777 from view

But then, if you subscribe to this theory the next question. Is why, what's the motive

 

I thought I read the same thing and was not sure if I confused two stories or reports together. There had to be more involved to require Navy Seals to protect it, and have others willing to kill to acquire it.

 

retired navy seals dead on the ship from heroin overdose. hmmm
also, the general on fox news is sticking to his claim that the plane is in pakistan.

 

Something is definatly up. If the USA or China knew where it was with their satellites that can "read a headline from space". They wouldn't even need to release the photos. They could just send a ship or plane, confirm the find and tell the world. But for some reason they are not doing this.

I also thought the oceans were "miked" from one end to the other. I thought the USA and Russian under water hearing devices could detect almost anything. Obviously a bunch of crap, as they couldn't detect a huge aircraft slamming into the water.

To me there is a reason why this plane has not been found. It may very well NOW be at the bottom of the ocean, but where has it been for the last 2 weeks?

 

Not wishing to lean to far over into the conspiracy zone but, if the plane is not eventually found in one of a somewhat limited number of locations, seems like there's going to be "some 'splainin' to do Lucy"…..

 

There is a great episode of NOVA explaining past airliner crashes. Here it broadcasted on CPTV.
The title is 'Crash of flight 447'.

 

Never mind. As Andy B. is obiously from Germany I can assure you we are used to a lot of criticism and a very frank, sometimes even harsh way of discussion over here.

We can stand a lot, I'd say. So, just don't mind.

That's why two ex-Lufthansa A340 fly for Mrs. Merkel nowadays.

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I know I am late to this discussion but I would like to clarify the type of oxygen systems used on the 777.

Before I get started I would like to say that I used to inspect the installation of BOTH kinds of systems used on the 777 for years.

1) The pilots and crew on the flight deck get bottled oxygen, period.

2) Depending on the customer, the following is available:

A) Individual oxygen producing chemical canisters in the overhead passenger service units above each seat. Pulling on any one mask in that row/group activates the canister over head for that group.

B) Hard line gaseous oxygen lines are plumbed throughout the overhead passenger service area fed by bottles in the lower lobe sidewalls in the cargo bays.

From memory, British Airways and Cathay Pacific were two such customers that used option (B), gaseous oxygen throughout the airplane.

Most others (95%) used the canisters.

Note that when those canisters are activated that they generate a lot of heat, enough to burn the skin off your hand instantly if you touch one. (from experience)

 

The pro's and con's on bottle plumbed O2 and Oxygen generator would appear to me to be-

Plumbed O2 means you likely get a longer O2 supply. But it is more susceptible to airframe damage during an explosive decompression event.

O2 Generators have a shorter lifespan but because they are localized can't be taken out en masse by a structural/plumbing/bottle failure.

 

In either case an oxidizer is not what you want in case of fire....

 

Agreed. Many people have not seen an O2 fed fire, much less spontaneous combustion around O2.

For those interested, google "Apollo 1 fire" to see what happened to the first ever NASA fatalities, and they never left the ground... RIP Grissom, Chaffee, and White.

 

Quick morning update on the searches:

It seems clear now that the pictures taken by the chinese satellite are from a spot that is "only" 70 milles south west of the spot already searched, south-west of Perth, Australia; and not in the south China Sea like some press release were saying at first...

Australian maritime authority has confirmed about two hours ago that a wooden pallet, with some kind of ribbons, belts, etc...attached has definitively been identified visually, drifting, this in the first spot of research. This pallet is from a standard type used on aircrafts, but also on ships, so no definitive conclusion here.

None of the bigger objects sighted on the satellite pictures has been spotted or found yet.

Searches are hampered by mediocre weather, especially by drizzle, today.

Rgds

 

And the weather will get worse... storm headed that way I read.