i am curious ... i know the first 308 were dry sump and glass body i am not sure if the early steel body were still dry sump cars? how many glass were built? i heard around 750? how many steel cars are dry sump? tks for answer
Emilio Dry sump cars continued into the steel production run until mid 1980 when the 2 valve fuel injection cars were introduced at which time all 308's were wet sump. North America and a few other markets only got wet sump cars but primarily the rest of the world got dry sump cars until 1980 but this was only on the GTB's. GTS cars were all wet sump regardless of year as were GT4's As for the number of glass 308's I'll let others answer as there seems to be an argument on the number. What is generally accepted is that there were somewhere in the mid to high 700's of glass cars with about 100 of them being US spec.
tks you Rob! any production number for the steel and dry sump cars? is yours a steel or glass? nice looking cars...i am thinking about one
Start here - there are few new questions ! http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferrari-discussion-not-model-specific/196388-ferrari-road-car-models-production-numbers.html
Emilio the numbers are not linear and can be difficult to follow. Ferrari actually produced both steel and glass cars at the same time and my experience shows an overlap of over 8 months. My car is steel with a Jan 77 production date (US spec wet sump) and I have seen steel cars as early as August 76 with glass going well into 1977 production. Glass cars have in recent times always traded for a premium over steel cars and most recently they have stretched the difference to a bigger gap as they are seen as more collectible. I personally like the steel cars because their body lines are a little crisper and better bring out the detail of the shape. Yes the glass cars are lighter and with it comes an increase in performance but for me the asthetics are most important and I do not consider the 308 to be a very good performer by modern standards. If it were my money I would be shopping for a steel dry sump car mainly because I think the dry sump is cool rather than performance oriented.
That one is a little hard to answer at the moment as the US glass market seems to be in flux and may be making a big jump upwards based on recent auction results. I think that very good drivers (respectable in shows, but not undriveable time capsules) are solidy in the $40K+ range for steel carb cars and QV's.
When it comes to values you will start a heated argument regardless of what price you champion. What I have seen from recent first hand experience is that steel GTB carb cars are in the mid to high 40's for nice driver cars with recent maintenance and service records. The big problem is that you will see cars from the mid 20's to mid 60's and there is little co-relation between the price and condition. It seems as though every owner has a different opinion of what a 308 is worth and what constitutes mint condition.
One more known fact to answer one of your questions: the last US spec Glass 308 sold at an auction went for 114K Dollars a few weeks ago.
I had an oddball car that – by everything I had ever read previously seemed an anomaly – a 1976 steel 308GTB. I could never get a solid number on how many steel cars were built alongside the fiberglass cars, but not many. So, ironically, the steel cars were more rare!! And no dry sump unfortunately. As far as I could tell, it was a standard spec, carbed 308 (20577, btw) (Sold to Spain in 2006-ish). Oh god - why? why? did I ever SELL a car? (Oh, yeah, to be able to get something else…
that is very true! and also applies to other cars: i have seen countach prices all over the places and sometimes no relations with asking and conditions...same for diablos
tks, precious infos 308 GTB Production started: 1975. Production ended: 1981. Total production: 2,185; 712 fiberglass (100 USA), 365 RHD (154 fiberglass). assuming that numbers are correct there were 1473 GTB steel carbed cars of these i guess there were not few US models and so wet sump... am i right assuming that there were less than 1000 GTB dry sump steel built?
Discussed here http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/australia/150320-glass-steel-308-gtbs.html http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/australia/306042-vetroresina-308s.html http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141485433-post11624.html and http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/136724743-post38.html
A total of 154 RHD Fibreglass cars were made, of that number only 32 were RHD Fibreglass/Dry Sump/Carbie.... That makes it one of the rarest 308....
If we accept the factory-published figures, there were exactly 2897 Ferrari 308 GTB built, this number including all GTBs, that is glass cars ("Vetroresinas", in Italian) and steel cars, dry sump and wet sump included. Still according to the factory figures, production by year was as follows: 1975: 26 1976: 644 1977: 963 1978: 415 1979: 417 1980: 432 (source, among others, is Dirk-Michael Konradt's book: "Autos, die Gechichte machten, die Ferraris 308 und 328" 1990) However, as pointed out on Robert Retzlaff excellent site (The Ferrari 308 GTB registry), total figures additoned by knowledgeable people vary between 2712 cars for the smallest figure, and 2993 for the highest. 2993 being obtained by 2185 steel cars, and 808 glass cars. The numbers for the total of glass cars produced as always been a mistery, most enthusiasts quoting 712, but the factory has always said 808. It seems that, thanks to inputs from australian F-Chatters, that 712 did not take into account the numbers produced specifically for Australia, and probably not the numbers for other "small" right hand drive markets either. As far as it is possible to ascertain today, the total of glass cars produced is indeed "near 808"; perhaps not exactly 808, but most probably not 712. As for the repartition for the steel GTB between American-market cars, that is wet-sump, and other markets, dry-sump, I have not seen any figure yet. Without these, it is difficult to say something which would be more than a guess, but if we accept a ballpark of "about 30%" for the american cars, that would be "about 650" GTBs wet sump, and "about 1500" for the rest, that is, dry-sump cars. As everyone interested in Ferrari production figures knows, the seventies are a difficult period for exact figures. Rgds
I guess 154 is not the total of RHD Fiberglass made, as rigthly pointed out on this forum by Carl Jones I think, who painstakingly tracked the chassis numbers. 154 is the total of RHD Fiberglass imported in the UK alone from the factory by Maranello Concessionaires, the UK importer. But on top of these 154, you must add at least 44 RHD imported directly from the factory in Australia, plus a small number of others RHD cars produced for "other RHD countries", that is South Africa, Hong-Kong, etc. That would bring the total of RHD glass cars at "about 200, or slightly more". Rgds
How many actually remain? That's the real question. If only someone could do a registration search for the whole US we could get a better idea.
You cannot leave out Canada as you would be amazed how many carb GTB's are up here. Also with the bigger prices being paid in Europe and other parts a lot of US spec cars are being exported.
Rob, Its a only guess, from the adds I see...so nothing precise and definitive of course... While we do see indeed quite a number of "north american market" GTSs here in their different versions (carbed, "i"s, QVs, 328) we do not see many "North American market" GTBs; one from time to time, but at random... Rgds
Note that all the Australian delivered, RHD Fibreglass cars were wet sump. They had the dual distributor setup to meet emissions regulations ( like the US cars ). The RHD, fibreglass /UK spec cars are all dry sump / single distributor ( 154 of them ). M
