I drove the Ferrari 458 Italia and a 2014 Nissan GTR yesterday

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The kid is 20. He thinks torque is everything. Give him time.

 

I'm 21 and I think that they're both two great cars
Ferrari.. It's the only good thing that we italians are supposed to do very well.
I've driven both, I'm not going to buy the GTR only because:

-cheaper
-0-60mph 0.2 sec faster
-4wd

Those reasons are NOT valid for me.
These are a fanboy's reasons.
Faster=better? Then everyone should buy a bike!

All my respect to the GTR (I like it, it's clear) but my judgement is: 458>GTR. All the way.

Guys: buy what you like

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Mature for your age. Drive responsibly.

 

torque is what accelerates. The 458 uses 9000 rpm engine speed and a very high final drive ratio to go the way it goes. but torque at the wheels creates the acceleration

 

I agree. Kind of like the royals. Great family, but just people.

 

Nothing wrong with torque buddy. In fact, lack of torque is something I moan about sometimes in my F and P cars. There is a time for everything.

 

I do.
Only my opinion!


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I have both a GT-R (have had one ever since they first came out), and a 458 (and an F12) - my 5th and 6th Ferraris.
I can say unequivocally that while I clearly perfer to drive the 458 on special occasions, and the car is far more "special" to drive, I have NEVER gotten out of the 458, gotten into my GT-R and found the GT-R in any way disappointing. In its own way, it is as extraordinary as the 458, and I can drive it any time, any weather, and any place. You can actually put miles on the GT-R and still be able to resell it for a decent percentage of initial price.

Some of you brand snobs really need to wake up and smell the roses.

 

+1
Touche'!

 

I have. It was a bit disappointing on track. Just too heavy. As I get older I appreciate lighter cars more an more. Agile, consumables are less expensive and last longer, they don't need as stressed a power plant to go quickly, are simpler, in essence every lb lost is more than worth than the equivalent ratio in horsepower. If the car has 8 lb per horsepower I'll gladly lose 8 lb for every horsepower lost.

 

Errrr... I'm 40. And it's been a long time since I checked but I'm pretty sure hp is a function of torque. So technically torque IS everything. ;-))

 

ha....ha...you got that right,next to the Fcars looks like a truck.......lol

 

When I first saw the GT-r, I thought it was one of the ugliest cars ever made. But, I've seen quite a few on the streets of LA and I'm starting to like it.

I get it now. I don't love the looks but it does have a presence and it is definitely "Japanese" styling and not the fake Italian or British stuff that the Koreans try to do. It has that boy racer "fast and furious" look of a modded Japanese sports sedan -- but in a good way.

I can see this as bedroom poster material to a lot of 10 year old boys. And, that's not a slap because many of us had pictures of 308's and Countachs when we were that age.

I don't think we should knock the GT-r. If anything, we should celebrate that someone made something with such awesome capabilities for the price. After all, we ALL know tha Ferrari's are way overpriced. The GT-r is just one more example of what can be done with some good engineering and an eye on the price point.

I personally wish Ferrari tried it once again.

 

Never liked the GTR because half of the fun of exotic cars use-to-be in creating automotive art. The GTR looks like it inherited its DNA from a shoebox. Sort of the same reason I like F1 over NASCAR... one use to be a track full of exotic beauties and the other looked like the same square shaped cars I get stuck in traffic with everyday.

Here's a few baseline lap times, to see what we are actually talking about in the performance category ... seems hard to argue with the performance per dollar of Nissan's ugly duckling. The GTR is good for Ferrari, reminds me of when Honda helped motivate Ferrari with the sexy and technically advanced NSX over the 348 at the time.

23. Nissan GT-R 7:26.70 Watch Onboard '08
24. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 7:27.00 Watch Onboard '11
25. Ferrari 458 Italia 7:28.00 Watch Onboard '09

Top 100 Lap Records | Nürburgring Lap Times

 

Man I hope you are joking and not some elitist. The 458 is far from beautiful. And I am more than double the OP's age. Hope he hasn't been run off









Ahats.

 

Far from beautiful?

To each his own i suppose.

 

Huh? This is your personal taste.

Sour grapes, as the fox said when he could not reach it.


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I think you can make that claim for any modern sports/GT car, hard to find anything under 3k pounds and a lot (including the GTR) push 4k pounds. add lightness has been lost almost totally

my (poorly phrased) question specific to the GTR was, does the AWD, gearbox, and electronic nannies conspire to make the car feel dull even at the limit? or does the car come alive and driver inputs feel more connected when driven past 8/10ths or so?

I've never driven a GTR but like the car. I think it would make a great stealthy daily driver.

 

I really like GTR. Great car for mods. Dual Clutch and twin turbo V6. Looks are subjective. It looks huge in real life. But, if you want a super fast car for street hard to beat with some bolt ons and 800hp easy. Hard to compare to 458 though. Very different cars. My first sports car was a 3000GT VR4. So, I have a soft spot for Japanese cars.

 

The VR4 was a tunable monster...I remember those days...300ZX, Supra, etc etc. Fun cars to play with! I will always have a soft spot for them too. Different animals but make for interesting comparisons!

 

And there's the elitist ***** mentality. Most owners are not like you fortunately.

 

I owned the same, fun days indeed. I also had the first GTR in the States....fun indeed, but heavy and clunky.

 

Why don't you read my previouses posts? I never told that the GTR sucks.
Drop it.


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Not sure if this helps at all but...

Basically the GTR as a track weapon is easy to drive and crazy fast in stock form on stock tires.

BUT has too much weight for the tire patch. One of my best friends raced them in World Challenge a few years ago. They could never make the cars turn or stop well enough to run competitive laps. (Not stock and on relatively hard slicks. ) This despite the fact that at some tracks they had almost 20 mph on the field in terms of top speed.

As for feel that's so subjective that I'd cop out and say you ought to drive one.