@greyboxer Yes I have proof. Just ask Ferrari in Maranello. The warranty is void if you set a tire on a racetrack. I'm not giving out information that are myths. It's a real question asked by "the computer" when the dealers get a car in. It is there for a reason, and it's not statistics... @Cavallino 458 No offence, the 458 is far superior/faster than F430. But intangibles, such as emptions, are pretty subjective. I drive 458's often and they amaze me. But they do have less emotions, in my opinion, than 430's. It doesn't mean they don't have any at all, by all means!!!! Envoyé de mon iPhone à l'aide de Tapatalk
A lot of questions here... -Exhaust on the Speciale: mine has got around 2500 km now and it really changed massively compared to new... For me the exhaust-note as well as the noise-level is perfect now, although my 2010 Italia had more of that backfire during downshifts ... - Transmission: really, the DCT in the Speciale is IMO the best out there. I also drive a Porsche with PDK, but the guys at Ferrari really did a great job. You get the best of both worlds - in Sport-Mode the gear-changes are quick, but smooth. In Race-Mode it's raw, not a bit less emotional than the single-clutch in an Aventador under full throttle. -Warranty: my dealer organizes track-days for his customers at least once a year. I seriously doubt they would do that if the warranty was lost. As well you can book trackdays at Porsche and other manufacturers - so I think that's a fairy-tale. Performance: I only had a short ride in a Scud once, but believe me - a Speciale will run rings around it on the track (as well as around Italias). Some people might have a problem with the fact that almost any driver will be able to drive that car around the track really quick and driving-skills are not that important any more... No problem for me - the level of excitement can be chosen via the Manettino. If you want the full load simply turn all "****" off. Best Andy
Thanks Avalente I drove a friend's 599 once with the same system as the 430 and immediately did not like how it shifted while just driving normally on the street. You have to lift off the gas when the computer shifts in order to maintain smoothness. I understand the SCUD has a better/faster ECU that makes the shifting less jerky. What's your opinion?
@bigblock - DCT: Aventador, 599 GTO & Scud have the same transmission. Just the clutch size changes in order to handle the power/torque differences. All made by Graziano, clutch by Valeo. I have to disagree with you regarding the rawness. The 458 S is smoother by a mile than Aventador, and by a few 100meters than Scud and GTO. That's mainly software. I'm talking full throttle and Race mode or above. -Warranty: I meant to add ot but didn't have time to. A "track day" event organised by a F dealer will of course NOT void the warranty. One of the reasons is you barely get to drive the car... If all goes well, you do 4-5 x 15 min runs (because of groups, amount of cars on track, etc...). Now, renting a race track for you and friends and driving as much as you want on it, with no restrictions and no "control" + Ferrari staff on the place will void it. Call me a liar if you want. I'll take it. -Performance: as I said it is not a matter of performance (because the Speciale will anihilate previous V8s), but about intangible, subjective, soul... @maomaoferrari Lifting the gas while the gear is being engages is a bad thing to do that can result in failure of the gearbox system. Gas is needed to produce pressure in the gearbox hydraulics system to actuate the gear change... If it's not smooth enough, put the system in Rain mode. Another reason for "jerky" changes is a badly calibrated clutch by the dealer/serviceman. If the guy knows what he's doing when servicing your car, if he drives the car, he will change the friction points as such to prevent that "jerky" feeling. Unfortunately, these guys are not found everywhere. I've driven 430's that where terrible and some that where just smooth and great at gear changes in town. Note that I never drive the car in Auto mode, cause in my opinion, that one is totally ****ty... The logic is completely out of its mind. Envoyé de mon iPhone à l'aide de Tapatalk
Thank you avalente and others ... What you describe is pretty much what I am concerned about.. The scud has a perfect feel in the the sound and even the Single clutch transmission adds to the rawness that suits the scud so so well... I am certain the speciale is faster etc but concerned about losing the heart of the scud... I think I will hold back on the Speciale for now just not ready to sell the Scud .. Or maybe I will keep it and then order the speciale.....
Avalente, Anymore info on how the Fiorano-Speciale road tests were organized?was it through your dealer? Thanks! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
@Larryh Glad to help. Eventually, the Speciale might grow on you, who knows! @jacinto It was organized by Ferrari itself and the dealers could take 3 clients max to do so. It was for the people that already ordered a Speciale (I did in March 2013) and for those who needed a little help to do so... ;-) Envoyé de mon iPhone à l'aide de Tapatalk
i do enjoy my 09 scud was going to trade it in for the speciale, but the speciale wasnt not much different in power and the look was a turnoff and the stripe didnt help ether ,i,ll rather wait for the 458 replacment in a couple more years, it suppose to be something REAL special new engine / maybe turbo, new design, looking forward to seeing the new replacement,
After a detailed test drive with the 458 Italia I decided to stay with my Scud - equal in performance and clearly more driving fun with the Scud. An offer to drive the Speciale I refused, wasn't motivated enough, at the moment I'm too happy with the Scud. Allow me to make some advertising for the Scud, a well-known German motorsport magazine published their test results: Nürburgring NS / Hockenheim / Model (been tested in) 07.56 / 1.13,0 / Challenge Stradale (2004) 07.47 / 1.12,0 / F599 GTB Fiorano (2007) 07.39 / 1.10,3 / 430 Scuderia (2008) 07.38 / 1.10,5 / 458 Italia (2010) (Source Sport Auto, 4/2014, section "Supertest) Below the test run with the 430 Scuderia at the Nürburgring Nordschleife. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEtOGTstik]Ferrari 430 Scuderia Onboard Nürburgring Nordschleife - YouTube[/ame]
Thank you so much for your posts - I really want to keep my Scud and you provided the information I needed to feel that I have made the right choice
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Here you can see the fire safety bottle - the red button for it where the lighter was - and the master control switch Also the nozzles in the passenger cabin Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here is a very boring video of me coming out of my garage looking for Johnny Depp - he was staying on his boat in the marina on my property - no I did not find him but told my wife I had and he invited me over for a drink - she casually said have a great time! Image Unavailable, Please Login
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So what the heck is this Thread all about ??? If you want a Scud, get one (or keep your Scud)... Talking of "Soul" is not a good point for comparing the cars - it's like a comparison of two paintings... "The left one has more Soul because there's more blue in it..." @Avalente: why should I call you a liar ? No need to do so as you seem to know better...
I think what is important here is to keep in mind what you define is "better". Is it a tool for speed or is it a tool to extract emotions? Both cars are great but I feel the scud is more emotional with fewer driver aids whereas the speciale is clearly more capable and more confidence inspiring.
This is a great point IMHO. Depends on what is defined as better. For example unlike a Speciale, a Carrera GT is a car that most drivers--even many good ones--find difficult to drive to the limit. However as an ownership experience many find that having a car like that is very rewarding, highly involving, and never boring because there is always something to learn about the car. Especially since many want to keep the car for years and many miles.
Of course, "better" is a relative term. Nevertheless I consider the 458 over all as the better and more comprehensive car in comparison to the Scud. In my case I was only missing the reduced interior and the very direct driving experience so far, the 458 feels compared to the Scuderia a little "synthetic". The Scud gives me more feedback, I can feel the rear axle better every millisecond under my ass, I can feel better each groove, each little stone in the steering wheel. I can feel better the moves of the car, what happened to him. For me these are important properties, the pure driving performance figures are secondary for me. In summary, I have more driving pleasure with the Scud. This must not be negative for the 458, at the very end it's a question of personal feeling. The Speciale? I will test it, that's for sure. But at the moment I do not see myself as a potential buyer.
I'm really, really curious how this will develop. Because, in all honestly, I'm not blown away by the sound of my Speciale. Even after 2,500 kms of driving it very hard... So, if it works, I'll get my dealer to do the same. If Akrapovic would make an exhaust for the Speciale (as they do for the Italia), I'd get it in a heartbeat. Because it transformed my GTRs. And now my 1M. And will do the new M3 in a couple of months! ;-)
this is a fantastic summary and thank you for posting. I have not had the opportunity to drive a Speciale yet... but would think that it would have been the same outcome prior to your post.... again thank you... I do love the scud and every time I drive her it puts the silliest smile on my face..... my favorite saying is... So Robert how do you like your scud... It is like have the best sex you have ever had with your hair on fire . It is so much fun but so dangerous
