F1 is ruined!

I think they should develop a 1.8 or 2.0 littre V12. F1 engine. Now that would or should put a smile on your face.

 

Pretty sad state of affairs when the most interesting graphic on the screen is how much fuel each driver had burned.

 

+1 to the above.

Most people seem to believe that it was just a handful of years ago that the lead for the race was constantly being challenged and changed. It almost never was like that. Newsflash: rewatching a race or 2 (or rather highlights of said races) of one of those ''classic F1 and how it used to be'' where about as rare then as they are now.

The great thing about current rules ''ruining F1'' is that rules can be changed through trial and error.

Currently the rule makers are looking at what needs to be changed for next year. I'm not too worried. Just about anyone has complained of lack of noise. Will likely be rectified. Moaning about fuel usage. Easily adapted to something different next year.

And to whoever said F1 is being ruined because cars are unreliable, you're making it sound like just a third of the field just barely finished, some who had to resort to pushing the last straight. If anything the reliability of cars has astounded me. I certainly expected more people to not finish.

 

Despite its best efforts F1 hasn't managed to off itself yet.
Sooner or later they run the risk of succeeding.

 

I believe the teams are still struggling with the new regs. Hopefully as they get the cars sorted we'll see some actual racing. I ain't givin up just yet.

 

Greenies need to stay out of motor sports...There is no place for this crap in F1, fuel consumption on screen you have to be kidding me. I have been an F1 fan for 35 years and am embarrassed by what I just watched. If my next Ferrari sounds or looks as bad as that it will be my last and I've had 8. Only a delusional progressive would think otherwise. I agree F1 is ruined!

 

I am amazed you can hear anything at all. Only the onboard scenes give some sound and then the cars sound like the diesel version of a MotoGP engine. They don't have anything to do with the Auto Unions and Alfa Romeo's of the thirties.

 

and what was so unexpected that made this race worth watching?

 

I thought that was a funny graphic to put up ..... I thought, am I watching F1 or an economy drive

I enjoyed the race more this time because I wasn't there, for TV this is still good, but for the personal experience no way, won't go again until THE sound comes back

 

+100

I would have said the same thing. F1 has gone, and will keep going in a strange new direction. Hard to say where it will be in 5-10 years, I have been watching for 20 years, and I believe the last 2-3 years have been its worst.

While watching these races, I just keep my eyes closed and dream of 1991 F1 season in my head...

 

When I saw that I found it interesting.
Then I thought "WTF am I thinking? This is F1."

 

It's not so much what happened it's what could happen, with the new tech and engines ect.

I could ask you the same thing about the last 4 years maybe more, what made F1 so much better the year before?, to be honest I just do not get it, apart from the lack of sound.

The thing is, watching on TV I couldn't tell if the cars are slower, sound I can get over that, I don't mind it, and I like the fact the cars are harder to drive with the extra torque, in other words making the driver matter more.

As far as the race is concerned we do not have Vettel running off and hiding at the front yet again, it's Ham and I am a fan, so maybe that's what's hacking folk off, if that's the case I do not care in the slightest.

F1 still to me is a great sport, and yet again if it's not floating folks boat anymore don't watch it.

 

I like chess and I like high tech, what can I say..

 

If you are a fan of 35 years you remember cars running out of fuel. There have always been fuel consumption concerns. I remember in the mid 80s cars would run out of fuel as refueling was not allowed.

F1 is about setting the bar higher, pushing the envelope within a given parameter. This is what drives automotive innovation. I have been reading about F1 in R&T since I was a kid in the 1960's, when that was the only coverage in the US and it was 3 months behind, and watching for decades since it's been on TV. When the formula changes it sometimes takes a few months to push the limits of the new formula, especially with the limited testing, which I don't oppose. I didn't love the V6s in the 80's but they souned better over time, just like V10's sounded weird at first. Any time I'm at a race I've had earplugs because the noise was dangerous to exposed ears. But I don't really go for the sound, I go for the sheer speed of the cars.

Time will always tell if it's a good formula or not.

 

Today's race wasn't a race at all. Mercedes told Hamilton to dial it back the entire race to preserve fuel, the engine, the gearbox. Why? To prevent penalties in the future. A lot of good that did fans in Malaysia who actually thought they were watching a race. The problem is... so was EVERYONE else.

It's a race to the least, not the most.

I really don't care if F1 means diddly to "real" cars. Tell me when you think fly-by-wire brakes will happen? How about... never because the risks are too great for street cars.

F1 cars have had Carbon fiber chassis over 20 years. How many street cars have them today? Maybe 5.

F1 cars have had Carbon Ceramic brakes for 15 years. How many street cars have them today? Maybe 10.

So, where's all the great technology pay off? For a few expensive sports cars?

Your average Toyota or Chevy Cruse has in much in common with an F1 car as paper airplane has with the Space Shuttle.

F1 is a sport. It's not a research lab for street vehicles. People wanting to make it a research lab are doing it to excuse the huge amount of money they spend to put their logos on cars and have millions watch them in the process.

The problem is, those people won't watch if it looks like they aren't really racing and instead are playing a tortoise instead of a hare.

 

I agree with everything you said except the last bit.
Experience has shown that the fans aren't that demanding.

 

Really?
Disappointing. I thought you had a greater perspective.

 

I do.

F1 has shown that when its a choice between the show and the sport they'll go where the money is every time and the fans have been willing to accept it.

 

ummm....I'd have to double check, but I think that's already happened.

 

"Prius features ingenius Brake by wire technology for improved braking control and performance. The system balances braking force between all four wheels and includes ABS and BA technologies.

The Prius Anti-skid Braking System (ABS) balances the braking force between all four wheels - keeping you in control in slippery conditions or when braking heavily. Brake Assist (BA) adds extra force to the brake in an emergency."

 

When? F1 has never had a lot of passing, ever. There are battles through the field throughout the race, but if you want constant passing back and forth for the lead, go watch NASCRAP. F1 does not and has never had that. The only way you get that is with a spec series where all cars are the same, and even then it's a crap shoot, especially on a road course unless you throw a yellow flag every 20 laps to bunch the field back up (ala NASCRAP and now IMSA).

 

If you want passing don't hire Tilke to design the tracks.

 

Absolutely

 

Yeah, because there's a lot of passing at Monaco, Monza, Spa and the ring, right? Wrong, they're no better or worse than the other tracks. Please let me know when there has ever been a lot of passing in f1, because in the over 20 years I've been watching, there never has. The last 5 years has had more on-track action than ever before that, and it was because they added KERS and then DRS to enhance the passing (which all the same jokers here cried about as well). Everyone looks back with rose tinted glasses and doesn't realize that F1 has always been an engineering playground with only occasional on-track battles and difficult passing. For a long time, the only passing done was in the pits, not even on-track like it has been the last few years. I don't know what you guys thought you were watching that had all these on-track position battles, but it sure wasn't f1.

 

F1 was, is and will be the test bed for new technology which will make it to road cars eventually. Has been like this since the fifties.

How can you not see this?