F1 is ruined!

If enough people feel this way and stay away they will make a change. Personally I am going to wait until I hear/see the 2014 cars in person. On TV the sound is less impressive though. I only started watching in 2008, so before that I have no reference as many here actually do.

 

I wouldn't say F1 is ruined, but it certainly is no longer "the pinnacle of motorsport" that's for damn sure.

And I used to be able to say my Ferrari sounds like an F1 car and it would be interpreted in the most awesome of ways...now, if you said that to anyone, it would be a bad joke.

 

The generator braking is obviously not done by the pads. However, the pad pressure may be limited (like an ABS system) to regulate the braking when the regenerator braking is in effect.

 

Indeed. Of course not.

No ABS allowed..... Certainly not anything that can detect lock up (which we're seeing a lot of at the rear as you know), and modulate the pressure.

However, these new big ass motor/generator units are for sure putting a lot of load on the PU - I'm thinking kind of 'engine braking gone nuts!' Haven driven a few Prius' (Preii?) if you put it in 'brake mode' (or whatever they call it), the sucker slows down *way* faster than without it without even touching the brakes. I believe (but again, don't claim to know) that the electronics are detecting pressure on the brake pedal and then 'sharing' that demand between the two systems - applying hydraulic pressure to the disks in the usual fashion if needed - I suspect it's possible that if he just 'touches' the brakes, it may all be done by allowing the generator to load it up for example - They"re now harvesting very significant amounts of energy, and that's gotta come from somewhere. Some of it from 'excess' turbo energy (the MGU-H) rather than using a simple pop-off valve and the rest from the MGU-K we're discussing here.

It really is very, very clever technology and some fancy S/W. The MGU-H is, I think, particularly exciting as when it's in motor, rather than generator mode, it's eliminating turbo lag, which is a big win for everyone.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

It wasn't that you posted your opinion, rather that you started yet another entire thread on the topic! Seems half the threads here right now are dedicated to saying how much F1 sucks!

No need to feel unwelcome though......

Cheers,
Ian

 

the throttle in just about any car made currently is fly by wire. Hear no one moaning about that, either.

His claims that F1 has had carbon ceramic brakes for 15 years is untrue as well. F1 uses carbon/carbon brakes, vastly different to carbon ceramic and unusable on road cars. Maybe he listened too much to what his Ferrari dealer had to say .

 

Wait.... the skirts made the cars faster and the then the cars were too fast for the tracks but the skirts weren't dangerous.


Flying isn't dangerous because you go up in the air but if you go up in the air you might fall to the ground but flying isn't dangerous.

Got it!

 

1) A throttle is not a brake. If the throttle breaks, either it doesn't move or if it does you can still stop the car with the brakes. If the brakes break, you can't stop the car. Therefore, fly by wire brakes will most likely never see themselves on passenger cars. Hydraulic brakes are here to stay as they have since the 30's.

2) Thank you for agreeing with me and proving my point. F1 technology does not carry over into road cars. Exactly what I said. Trying to say F1 cars should be test beds for road cars is silly. Very, very except the most exotic will use anything similar.


You what to tell us now many road cars today use CF tubs or do you want to challenge that one too?


F1 technology is for the sake of racing technology. Most of it will never be seen in ordinary road cars. It's just marketing BS and it seems some of you have bought into it.

 

1) Point fair made, one I made in a different thread. I can see fly by wire brakes happening with a mechanical back up. Perhaps not true fly by wire, though...

2) I don't really care if F1 stuff carries over to road cars or not.

3) the reason not many road cars use carbon fibre tubs yet is because they don't have to (yet). The cost of making carbon tubs for production road cars is more expensive and more time consuming, and currently a high volume production car doesn't need the advantages a CF tub has. Alfa/BMW have only just made a technology to make carbon tubs efficiently and they will be in many more cars in the next 10 years as the greenies want less fuel used still.

15-20 years ago people where unsure of how long a CF tub would last. With the Mclaren and F50, they thought the tub had to be replaced after 10 years first. Time has proven that it was unnecessary and only now can they start thinking of making CF tubs economically for production cars

 

Very true.....

Not (necessarily) true. My 360 reads 0.75v at idle and just 3.75v at WOT. That's a pretty small swing on a 12v car. If somehow some volts get 'injected' into the circuit, look out! Or, maybe more likely, the ECU decides it's seeing 3.75 when it really isn't?.... You aren't stopping a WOT 360 with the brakes..... Shutdown time, same as if your brakes failed.

The brakes remain hydraulic, they're not 'electric' as you seem to think. The way they're *controlled* is electronic, not how they work to slow the car down. Pretty much everything on modern cars is electronically controlled. Why? Because electronics are demonstrably more reliable than mechanical systems. It's only a question of time before brakes are electronically managed - One could argue that with ABS they already are of course. But we don't worry about ABS failures causing us to loose our brakes. (Or at least I don't.)

Cheers,
Ian

 

Then what is the pinnacle of motor sports today?

 

love the racing! dont like the way they limit the fuel though..dont know why they couldt just set the limits for the whole race look like teams were slowing down because of the fuel sensor,this way you could use the fuel wisely though the race..then crank them up the last few laps

 

You have a 360?
Who knew?

 

Skirts themselves weren't dangerous, but they were fragile and skirt failure was an added danger for the drivers. The skirts on some cars didn't last the whole race, becoming stuck or broken by too much of kerb hopping.


Also, they increased the cornering speed to a dangerous level on some tracks.

It's these considerations, plus the fact that it was a blind alley in car technology (not applicable to road cars) that got then banned.

Wings were also a technology developed in F1, but wings did stay in F1 because there was an application on road cars.

 

Silver one. It was his avatar for a long time. Before Jobbs and MS.

 

No they couldn't! Fuel flow sensors prevent these tactics.

You have to race the whole race at the same flow, and fuel saving during the race followed by a mad dash at the end isn't an option.

 

Bingo.

You said it much better than I did. The point remains the same: F1 is not just about top speed. Safety is another consideration. Driver skills another one (which is one reason active suspensions got banned). Marketing, show and technological progress are others.

F1 always was about much more than "just" being the fastest cars (which they still are around a road track). They always were (rightfully so) a testbed for new road car technology.

 

Its boring. If most people think its not the crowds and audience will be huge. If not ,the bottom line will cause changes to happen. I'll watch it 3 hours late and fast forward as necessary till then

 

Apparently not...........

 

The majority of people saying it's boring have been saying so for the last few years; yet still appear to watch just about every race.

They should either stop pretending to find it boring (why watch season after season otherwise?) or find a new hobby.

 

Not true. The reason I climbed out of my pram a little was that we now have *8* threads dedicated to how much it sucks. (See posts 12 & particularly 80) And that's in addition to the FP, qualy and race threads pretty much all getting hijacked by the same naysayers.

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1

 

I think you misunderstood what he was saying: He wants, as do many others, a simple cap on the amount of fuel you start with. How you use it during the race is then up to you.

Further, being pedantic, you're not 'running the whole race at the same flow'. The *limit* is 100kg/h, so at that rate they'd only last an hour.... The actual rate obviously varies with throttle position.

Why did they implement a maximum flow rate? In short, to avoid the dangers of guys lifting off on the straights to save fuel and the subsequent huge disparity in speeds that could be really unpredictable and possibly therefore very dangerous.

I think limiting flow rate is the way to go, I just wish they'd leave it at that. Ie, you can put as much in as you want, but you can't use more than 100kg/h at any moment. They went further with a capacity limit to force these guys to get more efficient. A step too far in the first season at least IMO, but it is what it is.

Cheers,
Ian

 

TBH, I no longer have it, but that didn't seem relevant in the post....

You don't you recall my rant in silver about what happened when I sold it? (Bits getting stolen etc). And surely you must have seen my hillclimb videos?

Wow! Someone notices & *remembers*! Thanks, I think.

It's actually 'Grigio Alloy' (light blue to me & most others ) with dark blue interior.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Hey, I thought I got the bingo back in post #67!

+1 to all except the very last part...... Yes, much good 'stuff' has migrated one way or another over the years, but most of the teams (not the engine guys) couldn't give two hoots about road car development. They're racers, pure and simple. If something they do can be adapted to street use, cool, but that's not at all their reason for being there.

Cheers,
Ian