F1 is ruined!

I admire your optimism.

What realignment of the planets to you see causing such a change in MO?

 

see thread on a meeting of the titans.....change is coming.

 

NASCAR, real competition? Really?

And what exactly do you mean by watching technology in motion? A racingcar is a racingcar. Be it a Formula 1 car or something else. You can't actually see the technology. You know a F1 car is more advanced, but you can't see it, can you?

 

Come the revolution everything is jake..

 

Maybe. Maybe not.

Probably is, but not immediately.

 

So, you don't see that a F1 car accelerates faster, corners quicker and brakes later than any other type of racing car?

What about the lap time? That doesn't tell you that a F1 car is better engineered than anything else?

Apart from the LMP hybrids perhaps, there is no other type of car that can get near a present F1. I can SEE that!

 

A Ferrari fan may say that.

I just don't share that opinion.

 

He is talking about technology, not about speed. These are not necessarily the same things. Today's cars are more advanced than they were a year ago, yet they are considerably slower.

But if speed is your thing, then dragracing should be it.

 

The pinnacle has been lowered quite a bit.

 

Drag racing goes only in a straight line.

I was actually talking about circuit racing.

What cars are faster on a track than F1?

Of course, from time to time rules have to rein in lap speed, because circuits cannot accommodate a constant speed increase every year before becoming too dangerous.

 

Granted I'm a Ferrari fan, but I still think it is more than just that: Ferrari represents the unbroken chain of F1 from 1950 to the present. To me seeing a Ferrari is watching history in its continuum. Which is also why I'm not that bummed when they don't win. Winning is cool but to me they represent more than that. They are the one and only link to the entire history of F1. The evolution of their cars is the visible DNA of F1.

 

None.

Ergo F1 remains the pinnacle of motor sports.

Put softer tires on it and the current cars are faster than last years.

The pinnacle gets lowered every year on purpose to keep the sport safe. Nothing new.

 

You are missing the point.

Apparently F1 is preferable since it provides us with 'technology in motion', to which I reply that you only see a racingcar in motion, as is the case with any other raceseries. You don't actually see the technology.

You state that you see the speed, but speed is not the same as technology, since cars that are more advanced, are slower than less advanced cars. That they are slower because of safety reasons, is, of course, not the point.

It is a bit of a non discussion, but I find it odd to prefer F1 over any other raceseries, because it is technology in motion. Of course it is. They are racecars. They are technology. Some are faster than others, but surely the appeal is not solely in the fact that they are faster. You can't even see on TV when a car is 5 seconds per lap quicker or slower when you only rely on your two eyes.

 

I respect that, but I watch F1 to see a race, above all.

I mentioned before that for me, the aura of the Scuderia disappeared when Ferrari died. Now it's FIAT and de Montezemolo and all that, and nothing to do with Enzo Ferrari.
They just nurture and exploit that brand, but it's not the same.

To me, it's just Group FIAT racing.

The ethos of an enterprise often goes away after the demise of its founder, that's what I am trying to say.

Lotus without Chapman isn't Lotus.

 

Different strokes for different blokes.

To me the companies/brands didn't die when their founders passed. Not for Ferrari, not for Lotus or any other founder. Might also have something to do with the fact that all of them were very flawed geniuses. Once they leave a more moderate/sensible approach gets breathing room. Ferrari is the best example for that. IMHO Enzo was not helping the team in his final years and it took a LdM to get them back on track.

Anyway, we digress.

 

As the Bugatti family once said " le patron est mort. La voiture est mort Aussi".

 

Absolutely.

Only Jean Bugatti could have followed his father; he designed most of the 30s cars.

Now, what we have is the unashamed exploitation of a revered brand by the Volkswagen group to produce a useless monstrosity.

Ettore Bugatti must be turning in his grave.

 

Indeed.
But being Bugatti, in which direction?

For get the romance and the purple prose. Bugatti, Ferrari, Lotus, Voison et al were expressions of huge egos. The name might survive and the brand may thrive but, for better or worse, it's never the same.

 

Yep you absolutely can't see the wings front and rear or the diffuser or the winglets or the tires or the brakes flowing red on braking or what else can't you see. If you are having difficulty seeing these things I don't know why you choose to watch any racing. Please go back and try looking at the screen or attending a race.

What part of an F1 car was so expensive and was continuously being developed it was really skewing the cost of F1. 1 guess. And guess what, it can be seen.

 

No end in sight. Just folks don't like change. I'm just starting to get use to the new engine's sound.

At least they aren't sounding like the droves of Bumble Bee sounds of the no fun Indy slash Cart series.

I'm no whiner but I miss the Screaming sounds of last year. Or perhaps an intune V-16 BMC from the 50's.

But Ultimately I'm just happy Vettel is having problems. But he can still win the whole cake, you never know. I just wish Lotus would hurry up and improve; that and Rossi would get a good chance and for Catherham would stand behind him and develop his talent. Don't know what it is with this no Emericans allowed in F1 prejudice. Sadly by-in-large that is a closed fraternity.

 

Been trying to figure out that new F1 sound...reminds me of the semis (diesel powered) going down I-70 through Vail.

That's why I live in Aspen.

 

I don't count wings or winglets as exciting technology. They are just wings. And if you can get a good look at a diffuser while watching the cars on tv, your eyes are exceptional. Almost alien like.

Because there are people who watch racing for the racing. Not to feast their eyes on a wing for about 1,5 hours.

I have attended my fair share of races and no, not all Formula 1.

Engine, gearbox. electronics, thats the technology that really sets F1 apart from the rest. But if you get excited by a wing, then be my guest. Whatever works for you.

 

Ok thats very very funny LOL!

 

Sorry, nay-sayers, F1 is not ruined. That was a damn fine motor race in Bahrain today, from start to finish, and up and down the field. And all using a third less fuel than last season...

 

I would agree except that I think that the fuel conservation rules are ridiculous and superficial with no real purpose.