What will it take for Ferrari to press the reset button?

Six years of not winning in a big team should equal sacking, yes. If you think its fine to persist with those results, please be my guest.

If you think I'm wrong contact Mclaren and ask where Whitmarsh is.

 

If you base winning on the amount of money poured into the effort then why didn't Toyota or BMW win the championship ?

Ferrari turn up because racing is what they do, the same as McLaren and Williams, the others are just in for the marketing exposure, and if it doesn't eventuate they leave, simple really.

You have to experience pain before appreciating winning (21 years of watching Ferrari at ridiculous hours of the night losing EVERY year made it even more pleasurable when they won ..... Thanks Schumie )

 

not sure who to blame...

allison & byrne already brought back into the fray yet the car still sucks...

can't say there's bad correlation with the wind tunnel anymore since the new one is up and running...

already have the 2 of the best drivers on the grid, both wdc's...

i definitely thought 2014 was not only going to be the year of the horse, but the year for the prancing horse to finally be up top...

looking at the driver's + constructors championship rankings on F1.com as of this post is pretty sad...

Force India beating out team red...

look at nico's smirk lol...

and Mercedes already 78pts ahead...

 

In theory maybe, but I think things work differently at Ferrari.

I understood that the principal at Ferrari was primarily sporting director and team administrator, with equal ranking with the technical director.

I thought that de Montezemolo was the ultimate boss at Ferrari and the one who chooses the heads of department.

 

Allison got there late IMHO. Rory may have spent too much time in the water. So what we have is a power train down on power yet a chassis that can't handle power according to some observations.

 

Spending doesn't guarantee titles but you stand next to no chance of winning one without doing so, hence Williams being adrift.

Ferrari and Mclaren turn up to race and win, not just race for the sake of it. If that weren't the case Whitmarsh would still have a job and Luca would of had a big smile on his face, not leaving early on Sunday.

There is a clear distinction and very real expectations placed on TP's from their bosses.

 

If Kimi had of been able to get preferred pit status, he would of finished where Alonso did or better perhaps at Bahrain. There isn't much of a loss in maximum finishing position if you dump Alonso and keep Kimi.

Alonso hasn't changed one bit since keeping his car parked in the pits to intentionally dump Hamilton, if you follow Ferrari's radio chatter you'll see him still using when he pits to put the other Ferrari driver in a bad spot.

Every notice in the last few season if Alonso retired, suddenly Massa could bring home a good result, even podiums? Alonso wasn't on the track to F with him.

Alonso is one of the best in the grid - but he intentionally drags the team down to insure he's the #1 within the team.

Its a hard decision to make - as he's right there with Hamilton for being the craftiest driver on the grid, his ability is nearly unmatched by any one else with good machinery. I just think that if several years ago, Ferrari had taken a risk on finding a new hot shot for that seat - they'd be in a better position. Hulkenburg has been suggested on this forum quite a bit, but I think he is too similar to Kimi. Kimi hit hard and hurt his back - and his driving is reliable, but cautious. I'd pair a cool head with a hotter headed rookie personally.

Its also obvious this year that their powertrain isn't a match for the mercedes powertrains.

The 2012 Ferrari was one of the best cars on the grid, and Alonso came *very* close to a WDC with it. It has been downhill from there each year. I would not be sacking the Ferrari's designers, they are making a great aero package, and there isn't much that can be done about the powertrain issue anymore as its locked. They have a good car, and will contend the lower power tracks at least. They will get wiped at the higher power circuits though, only Alonso's and Kimi's driving + other team's reliability will get them into the points at those circuits.

 

Its not that I dislike him... I rather do like him, and he's a nice guy as well. However, I dont see him staying around another year for this... unless something happens dramatically. I think McLaren will grab him and Santander bank again... or perhaps Mercedes ...

so rather than wait for the axe to drop, you have to recruit the best you can now.

They held onto Massa way too long, they need a young kid in there ala Magnussen who they can groom...

I'm not sure its a purely design issue - i think its a lack of leadership and management - Todt did great things there and becuase he was so quiet it made it look easy... but it aint! especialy in Italy.

 

I think Fred is gone after this year, taking jb's spot at McLaren. Ferrari would be wise to grab the hulk but they need COMPETENT tech people first and foremost.

 

Agreed on all

 

And how is this any different from what Shumi did all those years? They won plenty back then and I dare say it was worse for the number two Ferrari back then than it is now.

 

I hate to say it but I have to agree with you in a way. Alonso doesn't have that many prime years left to win more titles and frankly Ferrari doesn't seem to be getting their crap together any time soon. Second place is great but it's still the first of the losers. I wonder how much longer his patience will last.

 

To put it bluntly no one cared when the team was winning ....

 

At the risk of stirring up an international furor I would like to point out that in the last 35 years (since Jody's title with Ferrari) they have only consistently won when a Germanic person was forging the team around him. Those would be Lauda and Schumacher. Seven titles between them. And, yes, I am implying that Kimi's title was based not only on his great driving but, more importantly, on the team that Michael built.
Am I stating that only Germanics can win consistently? Not really, but that history with Ferrari is undeniable for 1/3rd of a century, and is also curious since Germanics have dominated F1 for the last 4 1/2 years.
PS: in anticipation of forthcoming criticism ... no, I'm not of Germanic descent!

 

OMG did that make me laugh!!!!

Funniest post in sometime.

 

While both Kimi & Fred are champions, I wouldn't plan on them being future champions without a truly dominant car.

So, new drivers.

New car.

New management?

 

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Ferrari don't have monopoly to build best sport cars in thé world, other companies have also engineers with big brains and great test drivers, personal changes in Ferrari F1 team don't help much because Mercedes engine is much more advanced

 

Well, apart from Schumacher and Vettel, no other German driver has won a WDC. They needed almost 50 years of F1 to get their first championship. Yes, those two Germans were great, but they are only two. Compare it with the long list of British champions.

 

Didn't they do that already when they rebranded a Benneton? Worked pretty well then too, lol

 

be patient it took nearly 21 years last time ...
Pete

 

16 actually between Constructors Titles (1983-1999), a record about to be equalled by McLaren.

 

You mean that time LDM bought out the Benneton team? The year Kimi won was a gift from Alonso and Hamilton, lol