LaFerrari Review Thread

MM; no offense, but let's not try to 'over-moderate' a healthy discussion. Topics always bleed into one another..............

 

I hope you know I am just giving you crap, it's all in good fun. I am an unrepentant V12 sound addict, and I just don't have the means to get my regular fix.

I also love your McL F1 tidbits, so I certainly want you to know I meant no disrespect!

It's funny, in my mind the F1 remains king, and the LaF is a close to a replacement as we will see. Like others, if I had unlimited resources I would love to know what the car would be like with ONLY the 780 hp V12 and whatever the weight of the KERS is removed.

 

That would be great for 918. But I can't imagine 918 weighing only 3,300 lbs as you suggest. The published specs are not showing that. I look forward to continuing my weight project!

 

Sounds like you'd be a good moderator, although maybe a little PITA. Why not subscribed?

 

No offense taken. Thanks for starting the thread. Hard to find all the info in one place. Looking forward to when they start releasing the numbers. Ferrari is a master at playing this up just right with very carefully selected embargo times.

 

I ask for your forgiveness, but I HAVE to say this:

Well said Bill S!!! You are a man of fine taste!!!

 

Great post, its posts like this that make F chat worth reading, however they seem to be few in number these days, thanks I suspect to the attitude of some here.

What's without question is the reviews of LaFerrari have been good so far.

 

I could care less, but I'm saving that for when it's needed....

 

Look the oposite way and you will find the truth..

 

Maybe. But I doubt Mr. Harris would make up "around 2954 lbs, wet". The carbon fiber used on LaFerrari has very little resin. Even if it's the same as the Enzo (3,265 lbs wet + full tank of gas) it would be impressive.

My guess is LaFerrari is lighter than Enzo by about 100 lbs. Don't forget you can buy almost 2 918s for the cost of a LaFerrari. The cars are not in the same class in my opinion. Porsche would have a hard time selling a 1.5M car.
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Good point.

 

interesting topic regarding carbon fibre; i didn't realize they used different carbon....surprised this hasnt been brought up before
All carbon fiber is not created equal
Ferrari strongly feels that all carbon fiber is not created equal. Many of the latest carbon-fiber cars, including highly respected machines from the likes of McLaren, Porsche, BMW, and Lamborghini, use RTM (resin-transfer molding) carbon fiber, but Ferrari isn’t impressed.
“With RTM, you don’t get any better weight reduction than we already achieve with our advanced aluminum technologies,” says Franco Cimatti, the Italian-born, American-educated Ferrari veteran engineer who’s in charge of vehicle concepts and pre-development.
For LaFerrari’s chassis tub and body panels, Ferrari prefers pre-preg carbon fiber, which is pre-impregnated with resin before it’s sent into the same huge autoclaves that bake up all the pieces for the F1 race cars. “With pre-preg, we are taking a lot less resin for the ride,” quips Cimatti, “because our autoclave techniques allow us to squeeze out excess resin during the baking.” A particular type of extra-high-strength carbon fiber referred to as T1000 is used both in the F1 race cars’ nose cones and in the structure of the LaFerrari’s doors for crash protection. T800 UD refers to a type of unidirectional carbon fiber that Ferrari carefully places in the same direction as principal loads in key sections of the car’s structure.
In the end, the LaFerrari’s chassis tub and roof, which are bonded together with resins and mechanical fasteners, weigh all of 176 pounds and provide 27 percent more torsional rigidity and 22 percent more bending stiffness than the carbon-fiber structure of the Ferrari Enzo.


Read more: Ferrari LaFerrari Review

 

chassis. it doesnt take an expert to see the difference between these two. one is properly sorted and the other looks like a '63 corvette.
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pretty funny how the McLaren faithful have their panties in a wad. The P1 - as we have all said - is murderously fast. But it's blatantly obvious, since the reviews so far have been overwhelmingly positive for LaFerrari, that the McL faithful can't rejoice that the reviews aren't 'average'....regardless of track times, downforce, 0-60 etc....
Keep trying.............
lol
Kevin

 

I love when people are experts in seeing how the car behaves on pictures or videos, why all do they do all that testing and look at telemetry data when on F-chat there are masters who can see what does the car do and how does it exactly behave on picture or video...
People that actually drove both cars dont agree with you.

 

Watch this video very carefully at 2:21, 2:40 and 2:53. Pretty sure the P1 body parts are hitting the ground. It's way too low in race mode even for the track. LaFerrari was engineered to have much more ground clearance with probably better track times. Gotta watch the videos very carefully. Can't tell anything from photos.

McLaren P1? vs. the Nürburgring-Nordschleife - YouTube

 

been going there since i was a kid, and that place still scares the hell out of me. never driven it myself, but have been taken as a passenger in a 917 when i was 10.....ok, its no la ferrari but it was fun

 

Nice spot.

 

+1, and

+1

LoneWolf is obviously not interested in a reasonable discussion. A '63 Corvette? Really?

 

The LaF's suspension is soft compared to the P1 race setting. When you combine that with the fact the LaF has the shortest wheelbase and longest overhangs, the car clearly has more pitch change under braking and accel than the P1. That isn't good for aero, but may mean it has better mechanical grip.

 

Ahhhh thank goodness that there are folks like you to tell All thèse Ferrari engineers how they messed up in producing this car!!!

Simple wonderful! Do you criticisme ever re-read what you write? Don't you get embarrassed???

 

on the subject of LaFerrari's capabilities being actually accessible, I read this quote in CAR Magazines review of the Huracan (pitched against the 458 (they still prefer the 458)):

 

Pitch change under braking is also a strong function of center-of-gravity relative to road surface ... consider where LaFerrari places the heavy batteries, compared to P1

Maybe P1's race-setting needs to be so stiff, to combat a higher COG ...

 

I am not saying anything of the sort. It's a trade off. Suspension setup is a compromise between mechanical and aero grip. For aero you want a stiff suspension setup for a "solid aero platform". This is critical for ground effects. If you have significant changes of pitch or roll during driving this leads to compromised airflow under the car (i.e. slower, higher pressure air, less downforce) and a change in what's termed the center of pressure. That's not good for aero grip, but it can mean improved mechanical grip because the tires will be able to better adapt to the road.