Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Some things are indisputable. The P1 needs 16.5 s. to 186 mph, whereas the LaFerrari only takes 15 s. So yes, it is definetely the faster car in a straight line, no matter how the P1 feels due to the turbo torque. Get over it!

 

As far as I can recall, hardly anyone here ever says P1 isn't anything but a highly impressive performer. The only judgements I can recall being made with any regularity would be on its looks. And that is something anyone with the gift of sight can judge.

I'm not a McLaren 'fan'. But I personally really appreciate what the P1 is capable of.
And I would never slight it in terms of its performance (because that would be silly). It's clearly a rocket ship fully deserving all the praise it is getting.

But Ferrari has its own rocket ship too in the LaFerrari! And as a 'fan' of the marque I want to celebrate its arrival! I want to read and see everything being said and shown about it. It's thrilling to know it simply exists! And I would imagine fans of McLaren and the P1 feel much the same way. However…..there seems to be this strange 'NEED' by more than a few McLaren supporters to convince Ferrari supporters that the P1 is superior in some way. And that I don't understand.

So, no, I wouldn't be surprised that P1 can be as fantastic as the LaFerrari. In fact, I would be SHOCKED if it wasn't as fast or even marginally faster in some instances/circumstances. But unless the P1 walks away from LaFerrari in a romp like LaFerrari was a Miata or something, nothing anyone could say would dampen my enthusiasm for the new, ultimate Ferrari. So there is simply no need to keep testifying on behalf of the P1. Frankly, I am quite happy learning to enjoy all three of the new breed of hyper performance sports cars. And through it all, the LaFerrari will remain my favorite.

This is a monumental time to be a car junkie!

Lets live it up!

And I officially would like to take you up on that P1 ride!

 

Are you sure on this time? It's just time on the paper but you have to prove it. When i read your explaination about time, it's exactly what i mean about SS. Because on the paper the time 0 to 186 is better for the Laferrari, so SS thinks after the test, the Laferrari is slightly faster than the P1. Even if he feels the acceleration is more inpressive. It's strange , no? Ha sorry, you are true, on the paper and only on the paper the 0 to 186 is faster. So the numbers on paper are good for you, you believe everything without to search if it's right or not, just because it's what you want to hear. If ferrari give 6.30 at nurburgring, because it's ferrari , you beleive but if it's Mclaren, they need to proove. If you so sure this number is right we can go to test. I tell on this forum, i receive my P1 before end of this year and i ask if there is owner of the Laferrari here, i 'm ready to go on track to compare and make test to check which is best (but with pro pilot mclaren and pro pilot Ferrari. And we can check if ferari make 15,5sec for 186 (because it's 5,5 and not 15). But i 'm not sure the owner has the right to make this. I wait answer. And also we can check the weight.

 

You are right, this cars are simply different, and the concurence is important. I prefer the P1 but i can tell the Laferrari is incredible and owners of it are lucky as for P1. I think it's the same level but different philosophy. And i will be happy to give you a ride on P1.

 

Kanu, you are from France, correct?

 

Yes but i think for some people here, we can tell what we want, it's useless. For some of them because on the car there is "Horse" so it's the best and the others can't be the best. Sometimes it's right but only sometimes, not always.

 

: )

I'll be in Denmark (Billund at LEGO campus) on business for much of next week! If you wanna meet me there with your P1 I'll buy you dinner! I'll hear you coming from miles away. Billund is the quietest little town you've ever seen!

 

actually not true; most people (myself included) were seriously impressed with the staggering specs that the P1 (& 918) laid down. With the long development time for LaFerrari, and without knowing many particulars it didn't appear that LaFerrari was going to equal the performance of the other two very easily.
But with the reviews that have come out; I perosnlly am blown away at the journalist's responses. Again - don't even care about the times, weights etc.
But some of the unique details of the Ferrari are amazing (molded seats into the tub; low center of gravity); lack of buttons..........

All 3 are amazing machines, if you're fortunate enough to own any of them, then congrats....
Kevin

 

can we stop these discussions and enjoy these cars and our experiences. We know that some people prefer the Laferrari and another P1 or 918. But we can love all. I will be not honest to say that I don't like ferari. I love it. Really. On the vidéo the sound is incredible. But i can tell for me in real life the sound of P1 is also incredible.

 

I actually thought LaFerrari's development time was rather short as compared to 918. LaFerrari debuted in Geneva last year (March 2013), just over a year ago. Customers were getting cars before Geneva this year.

By contrast, 918 broke cover in concept form…in March 2010 (I think). And its customers are just now getting cars (while it is believed Porsche is still tweaking as of this moment).

Even if LaFerrari were to receive updates in the coming months, it still made it from Geneva's floor to the streets of Monaco in a little less than a year. Right?

And you must surely be a Van Halen fan! So from one VH fan to another, have a great day!

 

Actually it is 15 sec and not 15.5 and yes, I take both manufacturers claims at face value. If you don't believe Ferrari, you shouldn't believe McLaren either!

 

I started to lurk this forum just few days ago, I was passing by but after this post and in particular "... We must stop believing that everything revolves around ferrari and think we take the other cars because they can not have the Laferrari ." I have to ask. Is McL paying someone here to do PR or anti-PR stuff? We must stop believing? What? On this thread noone said the world is revolving around Ferrari but kanu and few others don't waste occasion to tell the "truth". We, well, you all are here because of feelings, emotions about cars; things that can't be decided in a logical way, we are in the subjective field. So, don't tell me what I have to believe or feel. Maybe you like Justin Bieber and I'm more the Frank Sinatra type but I will never try to explain to you why the two choices imply a different sensibility. If you don't get the complexity isn't my fault but please stop trying to normalize what I can feel just because you have different taste, opinions, sensitivity or, perhaps, even agenda.

 

Didn't the c&d test mirror McLarens performance figures on a slippery runway? I'm sure there's quite a bit left in it once they get it on a proper drag strip. I'm sure the LaFerrari will be crazy quick too.

 

Sorry, but in the end its McLaren that actually gave under 7 figure and didnt prove anything and lot of people trusted them, and even fanboys started coming here saying they did like 6:3x or 6:4x, Ferrari never even mentioned the Nordschleife, from my point of view McLaren has as much evidence that P1 can do what they claim as Ferrari has for LaFerrari, and mostly when I read this thread, what amazes me is McLaren fanboys coming here harassing Ferrari over anything talking basicaly that everything they do is a lie etc. so basicaly what Ive seen on this thread so far is that you should trust that car that has Nike badge upside down on it can do whatever Mclaren says, without needing to prove anything, and Ferrari? They have to prove everything othervise they are liars...

 

i don't get it. why do you feel hurt ( please don't say you aren't hurt because of the way you defense your purchase) when some one who has never driven your p1 criticize the performance of it? you are trying to do the impossible. telling people not to discuss what they think they know about? if i were you, i would ignore most of the nonsenses and go drive my car and have fun. such a waste of energy. don't like how your car is misunderstood in fchat? go to mc life then. it is that simple. and you know, some people just enjoy arguing or trolling more than actually driving the cars they own.

 

That's not guaranteed, actually, though entirely possible.

0-186 is a huge range and there is no telling about what happens from, say, 0-160. The cars are geared differently, produce different amounts of drag, and create different amounts of downforce.

Trap speed in a quarter mile, or at various distance intervals, is more telling than a pure 0-186 time. Cars like a GTR or 991 TTS can cover ground very quickly up to 100mph, but then fall behind by a lot as you proceed to 186.

You need to see them line up side by side to know how much and where the difference occurs. You might find that a P1 is quicker from 0-170 and covers the same distance, even though it is slower from 0-186. As well all know from drag racing, two cars can have massively different trap speeds, while covering the same distance over the same period of time.

1.5s difference for 0-186 is a bit too small to draw any solid conclusions. The speed is high enough such that acceleration really has died down and the cars are experiencing huge amounts of drag. That 1.5s could happen almost entirely from 170-186.

 

BOORING!!! All these arguments are BOORING!!!

 

I've tried to explain the same thing to people. But some people only see numbers, but they don't understand what's going on inside the numbers.

 

Well what else is there to talk about? How nice they look sitting in a bunch of garages collecting dust or rev there engine in some gaudy city-state?

 

No matter how you cut it, that is still a significant difference that translates to a much higher trap speed.

 

I also wonder the same thing...getting bent out of shape now that first impressions of LaF are in. there should be no need to go on ANY forum, or do so in life for realz, to defend the car that excites you, that connects with you, that you feel passionate about. there's should be no need to try and 'convert' anyone who doesn't share your sentiments. unless you feel insecure about what's yours and you need others to validate your feelings. It shouldn't matter if only one, or a gazillion people love LaF and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. the P1 is an amazing car...go drive the crap out of it.

 

yea. i hate to say that but a forum like this is more beneficial to the fans that have not had or will not have the wealth to purchase these cars, with the grace of some very generous owners sharing the detail and driving experience of their beloved cars, than the actual owners themselves (maybe with a few exceptions, like those who feels the need to take a big dump on ferrari or porsche). maybe they have some more civilized conversation over at the owners forum. but if i were the owner, i wouldn't even want to get mixed up into this chaotic and silly argument and get upset about it. i rather spend my time driving or looking at that damn thing all day.

 

Wow. We are living in a golden age of hyper cars, direct comparisons imminent and people are acting like children. Silly.

This is an unbelievable time; I feel privileged to be alive and observing it.

 

Trap speed at what distance though? That's the important part. You can't come to an real conclusion without doing the test. 1.5s at 186mph might be exactly the same at 160mph. The cars are potentially set up very different.

 

What you say doesn't affect me, but you seem nervous. You don't like people who doesn't have the same opinion as you? You don't want this kind of people on your forum? Competition scares you? and don't tell me that I'm the problem, you react the same way with others who do not think like you.