Allocations on different models are strange all over the world it seems. Maybe they focus on certain markets at a time, F12 being available in UK within 4 to 6 months, which is essentially immediate. Others say a few years in other markets. Maybe next year UK gets almost no F12 as they shift to other markets. What is the FF like at the moment , as interest has picked up on both used and new ? I assume V12 production lines are the same ? Cannot recall how it was when I was last at the factory. Certainly UK was flooded with 458, with there being now more 458 coupes than 430 (a lot of 430 got shipped abroad) . The V12 also is a big hit depreciation wise, so maybe fewer wanting to go that way, or will the F12 be like FF and take a while to settle into the market. The idea of raising prices and producing fewer was the strategy, but it looks like raising prices has reduced demand, though my 2008 599 was about £230k new, F12 £260k and a bit. Best people to ask are the dealers I guess who see a bigger picture than we do. The serial buyers I know, who have every new model and a new car every year (at least) all say the F12 for them is the best car they have ever had , so the product seems to be appreciated.
FF's in US very easy to get an allocation for. Dealers have many cars coming in unsold. Ferrari has an incredible closed in lease deal that prices the car almost in half.
Very good. High residual so low payments. It is a subsidized lease by Ferrari. Given the steep depreciation hard to buy a FF.
Just after I wrote the above my dealer called and said its time to spec your F12. It will be a July build arrive likely in September and is confirmed a 2015. The real excitement begins. Likely will trade in my 458 which is nothing short of a great car.
Congratulations! I got a July build slot as well (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ff-f12/444779-f12-order.html). Have you decided on your specs? Cheers,
F12 in U.S. is a lot harder to get than a Speciale. Each dealer is only getting 6-8 per year so do the math.
Not true at all... Speciale is a harder car to get than f12... The same or slightly less coming into to us compared to f12
Sorry but your facts are wrong.... Ask any dealer they are only receiving 0-1 car per month of the F12.
That is what i have been told by both Chicago dealers. And it shows. I have seen only 3 F12 US specs and 2 were during Cavallino. I did see a dozen when in France for 3 weeks.
And what do you think dealers are getting for Speciale allocation? Some of the smallers ones only get 5 cars though December-January... In any event, both will depreciate at a similar rate in the next 24 mo
I have been asking my dealer for an F12 since the beginning and still waiting however have turned down a speciale from the same dealer the last 2 months. I have purchased 2 new ferraris and 1 new maserati .. from him.. this is the east coast of US. I have been told later this year .??
That is basically what I am hearing , do you have any idea how many are actually being built per year and of them the allocation to the US..
Im not sure it is built in such low volume as it would appear by looking at the US market. If you look at Europe, they are not rare. And seems that they are not rare in Asia either.
I'm not buying it...its not like they built lots of 599 or 612 and those prices have fallen dramatically. Same goes for FF. I would be surprised if they are making less F12 than 599 (or at least I'd bet the same order of magnitude). IMHO the F12 will have to retain its value on its own merits. I mean, scarcity is not everything with regard to modern ferrari prices. Look at 458 value retention...there are a lot of them out there and they have stayed strong. Same goes for Cali's (at least until lately). No, I think its the very high sticker prices that result in significant depreciation for the v12's.
I don't think ferrari gives a darn about resale value I am just being told (by my dealer ) they are building much lower numbers.. but who knows.. for me they seem hard to get at this time..
Ferrari has delivered 3% more cars to the U.S. YTD. With that being said, the lowest delivery total is the F12 and then the FF. So again the "hardest" Ferrari to get is the F12, in the United States.
Someday maybe we will have numbers to compare...those that we're paying attention to such things back in 2007 will remember how difficult getting a 599 was (and the huge mark ups on the used ones). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Have to say, don't really buy the talk from Maranello about "we're limiting production to preserve exclusivity." Think they took a look at economic conditions in Europe (awful), Asia (cooling off) and the US (still subpar) and just realized they weren't going to be able to increase their shipments. This stuff about preserving exclusivity sounded to me like a way of putting a nicer face on it on what is most likely a demand issue. Pricing is probably a more reliable indicator to watch.
My dealer sold a 07 599 for 500K after they had been out about 6 months. I bought a 2 year old 2008 with 1800 miles for 225K. Car listed for 325K. Will history repeat? Probably. The 360s, 430s and 458's have not depreciated at the same rate as the V12 cars. I guess we will see.
I often wondered why the mid-engine V8 cars depreciate less or more slowly. In part I would think it's because they tend to be more "special occasion" driven cars, and thus fewer miles are put on them, and owners tend to keep rather than sell them. But that doesn't seem to explain the entire difference. From what I've skimmed on different forums, the V8 cars are not significantly any less money to maintain. Is it because the V12 cars are also more likely to be used as "transportation," and thus most owners won't want to hassle with a car not under warranty and thus sell them when the warranty expires, "flooding" the market? I don't know. But I'm hoping history repeats itself, as I'll bet a lot of us would like to get a nice low mile F12 someday at a relative "bargain"!
