Would you prefer a Turbo or NA engine on the 458 Successor?

Ferrari's system is much more advanced (a lot more power per kg of weight) and thus expensive than the ones you mentioned. No KERS for the next 458, just turbos.

 

Might have missed it but does anyone know if it will a V6 or V8? Have seen a few reports that it will be a V6 Turbo..

 

I've read "V8 turbo".
Nothing seems to be confirmed.


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No V6.... fortunately

 

I'm breathing a sigh of relief!


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Good to hear, thanks!

 

I'm sure the double clutch system in the Veyron is more advanced than the one in the 458 so that's irrelevant because they do their jobs well and I'm certain if Ferrari was to produced 20k La Ferraris instead of 500 we could all have one for less than 300k so the Kers system is not too advanced or expensive for their second most saught after moder car. This is 2014 not 2004.

How could "Turbo" be the game changer for the next car ? I don't see it.

 

I guess you don't wanna see it.

 

Game changer?

For better or worse?

Best

 

Honestly, you make no sense. Anyway, in a few months you will see the confirmation of a turbo V8.

 

I have to +1 this.


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What part doesn't make sense to you ? Some of you are talking like it's already been confirmed.

 

Actually the 458, especially the speciale is the best double clutch system out there. Even if they made 20k Laferrari, the cost to build the car would not put it in the 300k range, youd still be looking at probably over 500k. The point is the KERS are too expensive and from what I have read unreliable to mass produce.

 

Thats kinda my point the version of kers in LA Ferrari might be too unreliable if thats not just an excuse but they can make an easy to service version for mass production that would be even better, the Kenetic Energy Recovery System is exactly whats in the Prius and other Hybrids that dont even cost 40k its nothing special and shouldn't too much engineering for a hy performance compact package since they've done it alteady lol So no it's not too expensive if they wanted to do it, It may be too expensive vs slapping a turbo on and calling it a day lol

They Can do KERS and it will not be too expensive for a $300k car. Do not believe what you read from the company keep in mind that Ferrari rigs a lot of the car reviews so telling you kers and carbon are too expensive for anything under a million is the same as saying you're not worth it yet, we can stall innovation for another ten years because you'll buy anything we put out...

 

+1 as I have said before you can lead a horse to water.....

I don't see why you keep resisting this as I have had it confirmed but be my guest and carry on being delusional

 

Lol dude no one's resisting anything I'm speculating and debating on what I think would make the next car seem awesome and standout, unlike you talking like car has already rolled off the assembly line and about you have things confirmed like you have all the inside info but some how there's no publicly available information on the next car...how about you post a link to a reliable source lol between now and the next two years anything can happen.

There has been no official announcement with exact facts about the car that will replace the 458 and most of you have no imagination beyond oh they made a new V8 with Turbo so it must be in the bext mid engine car, while ignoring the fact that Maserati uses more Ferrari engines than Ferrari does and their Building a new SUV that would need a Turbo V8 lol

If Ferrari doesn't give us warp drive in 2017 I'm done with them.

 

Richie grow up and start showing some ******** respect. You started off brand new on the forum acting like a punk, now if you had done a few seconds of research you would've realized immidietly that Traveller is a respected source of information on this thread. He also provides a huge contribution with regards to sharing his F40 LM project.

As is the case with Traveller, I'm privileged to have contact with valuable sources for inside information. I concur with and fully back all the information that Traveller shares. I think we said it about a gazillion times in another thread that the "468" will have a V8 Turbo based on the current Cali T engine and it will not have any form of hybrid drive. LdM has said the V12's will remain NA but V8's will go FI. The engine in the Speciale currently holds the world record for most hp/liter NA engine at 135hp/l, just ahead of the 918 Spyder which is at 132hp/l if I remember correctly. Instead of increasing weight by inserting a larger NA engine, one can reduce the weight, fuel consuption and gain efficiency by further developing the TT engine developed by Ferrari for the Cali T / QP V8.

Look at it this way; I'm having lunch with one of my friends who's just out of Maranello, or Traveller is just back from a meeting down there. We get told stuff. Where is our motivation to share false information and rumours when we have solid information from reputable contacts and friends? Without sounding too pretentious, Traveller and myself were among those who shared the most solid and up to date information in the months prior to the Cali T launch. In fact, everything we posted, ever word of information, was true. Trust me, many of the users on FChat know more about what happens inside Maranello than you could ever dream of being possible.

Now on the other hand, you, a new user who so far has not claimed to have any reputable sources for your claims, conteracts our claims with wildcard speculation. Its obvious to see that your motivation lies in creating discussion and debate. Which is quite the opposite of the reason I myself decide to share the information I get on this forum.

Just to lay the hybrid thing completely dead; the "468" will be revealed at Geneva next year. That means we are under 10 months away from the car being ready for production. Now, what other quite important car will Ferrari be producing in that same time? Well, LaFerrari of course. And again, what car has Ferrari spents loads of money and time developing a hybrid drive for in the last months and years? LaF. There is no room for a hybrid drive in any of the regular production vehicles until the next model cycle is in effect.

How do you think it would look if Ferrari placed the tech from their halo car into a regular production vehicle which will be produced simoultaneusly at the factory? The answer is not very, not from an economic or branding point of view.

The hybrid technology is still too expensive to place in a regular production vehicle. At the same time, none of the competitors are planning to put a hybrid system in their vehicles that will be launched at the same time as the "468". So why should Ferrari do it? Not only will it dilute brand value, it will also increase the price of the car making it unreasonably high compared to the competition.

Done reading my post? Good. Read it again. Perhaps once more. Take a deep breath. Then take a short walk around where you live. Now, you can post a reply.

 

Lol Okay DAD hahaha it's not that serious I enjoy debating and don't care to research who the top dog on the forum is, I'm not required to believe what you write just because you claim to have sources in high places and there's no need for me to be convinced by a stranger and since none of your sources are public I don't care to take any of that info as gospel, when the car comes it comes until then I feel like I have the right to speculate as I wish based on things I think is cool.

Does calling me a punk because I have an opinion and don't agree with what you know make you feel good ? Lol When they announce the 468 Turbo you guys will be Heroes and can say I told you so, I'll have a ferrari cake baked for the both of you to celebrate

 

Have you already taken a short walk?


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Maserati has a single turbo diesel option in the Ghilbi (sp?).
Problem: torque is high but the band range is too narrow.

BMW turbo diesel version is faster.

Let's hope TD not in the Fcars.

Per Fifth Gear about half the cars sold in Europe are diesel cuz they get 50 mpg. Maserati wants a share of that market. They are trying to sell 50k cars per year. Lost 700 million Euros a year or so ago.

 

Nobody wants to listen to your endless "speculation". Once we've heard it we've heard it. The only thing that seems suitable for you to do is to log off FChat and scream your beliefs at the wall, because it's the only thing that's listening.

Not choosing to take into consideration or thought the information posted by respected users such as Traveller is very unwise of you. Everybody here speculates constantly, but it's done with the basis on information and knowledge shared on the forum. You can choose to disagree, and many of us disagree with each other constantly. But repeating your argumentation doesn't make you any more right or worth listening to. Why don't you actually start reading the arguments posted by those that disagree with you, and counterdebate against those arguments instead of repeating yourselves? It would make everything much more interesting.

 

A bit OT here but:

Maser wants to sell 50k cars including the GranTurismo, Ghibli, QP and yet to be released Levante.

My personal opinion is that the Ghibli Diesel is too expensive (in many parts of Europe) compared to the competition. The new QP which tries to be an S-class / 7-series competitor is nowhere near refined enough to compete with those cars. When the car has also lost a lot of it's characteristic as a sporty car, I am not too optimistic. Although I commend Maserati massively for the attempt of revitalizing of the brand that has taken place. I wish them well but I'm also a realist.

Back on topic...

 

Naturally aspirated for me.

 

Maserati had a very successful FY 2013, they are on the "fast track".

Official Maserati Press Release Financial Results FY 2013:

"For 2013, Maserati posted a 148% increase in shipments to 15,400 vehicles, driven by the success of the new Quattroporte and Ghibli models launched during the year. For the Quattroporte, which was released in March, shipments totaled 7,800 units. For the Ghibli, a total of 2,900 units were shipped between launch in October and year end. At 31 December, order intake for the two new models totaled 13,000 units apiece. Combined shipments for the GranTurismo and GranCabrio were in line with 2012 at 4,700 units for the year.

All markets contributed positively to the significant year-over-year increase. The USA remained the brand’s number one market with shipments up 138% over the prior year to 6,900 units. China, the brand’s second largest market, recorded the highest percentage increase with shipments up 334% to 3,800 units. Even in Europe, where economic conditions remained difficult, shipments were up 133% to 2,500 units on the back of the contribution of the new models. Results were also strong for the Asia-Pacific region (excluding China) and the Middle East, which registered increases of 52% (1,300 vehicles) and 81% (750 vehicles), respectively.

Revenues totaled €1,659 million for the year, an increase of 120% over 2012. Maserati closed 2013 with full-year trading profit of €171 million, or 10.3% margin, representing a €114 million increase over the prior year (€57 million in 2012).

EBIT, which included a €65 million write-down of previously capitalized R&D related to a new model the development of which has now been switched to a more technically advanced platform considered more appropriate for the Maserati brand, totaled €106 million. The year-over-year improvement reflected the significant increase in volumes.
Maserati’s fourth quarter revenues totaled €776 million, representing 47% of revenues for the full year and nearly four-times the Q4 2012 level, with a significant contribution from the newly-launched Ghibli.

Trading profit was €123 million for the quarter, an increase of €110 million over Q4 2012.
EBIT, which included the above mentioned unusual charge, was €58 million.

In January 2013, Maserati gave its world premiere presentation of both the V8 (530 hp) and V6 (410 hp) versions of the new Quattroporte at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. At the Geneva Motor Show in early March, Maserati presented the 4-seat GranTurismo MC Stradale and, for the first time in Europe, the new Quattroporte. The Shanghai Motor Show in April was the chosen venue for the world premiere presentation of the new Maserati Ghibli. At the Frankfurt Motor Show in September, Maserati showcased the diesel version of the Quattroporte along with the Ermenegildo Zegna Limited Edition concept version, the first project in partnership with the premiere Italian fashion house. Mid-November saw the North American debut of the Ghibli at the Los Angeles Auto Show."

 

IMO the hybrid tech will first be seen on a Maserati, probably a version of the Quattroporte. Then on a V12 Ferrari, then lastly on a V8 Ferrari. For the next model, I prefer NA, but if they make it like a modern day 288 GTO, then by all means turbo it.