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355 switch question

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  1. Carbuilder

    Carbuilder Formula Junior

    Aug 18, 2012
    550
    Bolton, ON
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    Rick
    I took the switches out of my 355 as soon as I got it to refinish them. I've just put it back together and have an issue with the shock, fog light, and mirror heating switches.

    Since I didn't drive the car much before taking it apart, I don't know if these are supposed to be the kind of switches that electronically latch something (and the switch returns to its original position), or if the switch toggle is supposed to stay in the "on" position. These 3 switches on mine will activate the function as long as I hold it in the on position, then switch off when I let go of it.

    I get the feeling they are supposed to physically stay in the on position, but mine don't. I took one apart again to see if I could have put it together wrong. I don't see that this one looks any different than the door lock switch that is momentary contact. For those that have taken them apart, what holds the switch in the on position? I can't see how it should work.

    Thank you,

    Rick
     
  2. WATSON

    WATSON Two Time F1 World Champ
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    These three switches are on / off switches. Not momentary as you described.

    I have not disassembled one and unsure about owe they might be put back together incorrectly.
     
  3. Carbuilder

    Carbuilder Formula Junior

    Aug 18, 2012
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    Rick
    Thank you. I can't tell what is supposed to hold it on against the spring pressure of the contact. I'll have to take a better look at them. The ones I have seem to move so little as well.
     
  4. WATSON

    WATSON Two Time F1 World Champ
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    They toggle pretty solidly. On / Off.

    An ohm meter will help as well.
     
  5. cpr075

    cpr075 Karting

    Jul 7, 2012
    58
    Midwest
    I had the same problem with several of my switches. I was able to tighten them very temporarily and then they would become loose again. Replacing them through ricambi was the only permanent solution for me.
     
  6. Carbuilder

    Carbuilder Formula Junior

    Aug 18, 2012
    550
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    Rick
    I've replaced some switches and other interior parts that some previous owners messed up. I think the switches must have been replaced at some point with the wrong ones. Funny thing is that the part number is correct. But the part number is on the bottom part of the switch (so the electrical contact part is right); maybe the top part with the toggle was swapped out for a wrong one. I had another look at mine and don't see how it is possible for it to "toggle" to 2 positions, so I'm pretty much convinced they are wrong.
     
  7. johnk...

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    If the switches were taken apart to refinish they have to be put back together very carefully. There are very small spring loaded "ears" on the sides if the toggles that snap into position to hold the switches in the correct position when operated. If not carefully reassembled these can break and the toggles will flop around or not have a solid feel.

    Additionally, those ears can pop out and become lost when the switches are taken apart if you don't know there are in there. I suspect they are either missing or damages. The ears are typically white plastic and very small.
     
  8. Carbuilder

    Carbuilder Formula Junior

    Aug 18, 2012
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    I took them apart to clean and refinish them. What I found was that in most cases you don't need the spring loaded ears. They do prevent the switch from flopping around, but mine were tight enough without them. Maybe the paint in refinishing them built up enough to give it enough friction. With or without these ears doesn't effect the switch staying in the "on" position though; I tried it last night by putting one back together with those parts back in. Didn't make any difference, so that is why I think my switches are the wrong ones. The only way to be sure is if someone has a picture of one taken apart to see what allows it to snap on and off.

    Rick
     
  9. johnk...

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    If it didn't make a difference then the ears are not in correctly of they are damaged. The switches will work w/o them but they will be "soft". Another thing is that you can not mix up the top pieces (covers). They are different for the momentary contact switches (locks) and the on/off switches like the suspension and fog lights.
     
  10. Carbuilder

    Carbuilder Formula Junior

    Aug 18, 2012
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    Rick
    The ears are in correctly and not damaged. Like I said, there is probably enough paint thickness to give the switch enough drag that the spring loaded ears aren't really adding anything; maybe a little extra friction, but hardly noticeable. If the switch toggle is loose to start with, then the ears do provide the necessary friction. I did need the ears in one of my switches.

    Can you not snap the top cover of a momentary contact switch onto an on/off switch? It is strange since I have p/n 165255 on the shock switch, which is the correct part number according to Ricambi, but it is definitely not an on/off switch.
     
  11. johnk...

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    If you look at the inside of the covers they have different patterns where the points of the ears fit, at least mine do. There should be little detents in them and the pattern is different for the different switches. You can mix up the tops but it will affect the operation or feel of the switch. Again, that's the way mine are.

    I used the term on/off loosely. There are several difference switches with different contacts, which is why there are different numbers, and also because of the different emblems. The lock/unlock switches are momentary contact. The others are two position, but they are not necessarily on/off. Mirror heater and fog lights are on/off. Suspension, for example, is not on/off. It's A or B, sport or normal. It makes different contact in the different positions.

    Your experience is different than mine. A couple of the ears broken when reassembling my switches and that switch, while still working, did not have the same feel without the ears. I don't know why yours would be different. I don't see how paint thickness would effect the operation. The toggles don't really touch any painted part, unless you painted the toggles too.
     
  12. Carbuilder

    Carbuilder Formula Junior

    Aug 18, 2012
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    I think we are on the same page now. I did repaint the toggles, which put some paint on the part that snaps into the cover and lets it move back and forth, so that tightened up the fit a bit. One switch needed the ears to give it the right feel, one only needed the spring (without the end plastic pieces) and some didn't need anything. They might wear the paint in time and loosen up, but I don't think they will ever get enough use to actually wear out.

    I'm pretty sure all of the tops of my switches are the same, so someone screwed things up at some point. The lower parts are correct since when I move them to the "on" position (and hold it there) the associated light on the dash comes on. I'll buy the proper switches.....not a big deal now that I know what is going on.

    Thank you for the help.

    Rick
     
  13. johnk...

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    Sorry I could be of more help.
     

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