Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You're right, the LaFerrari is the best car made period.

 

Wait a minute, having just looked at the FL times for the wet track, the times are meaningless.

F12 is 15s slower than a Ford Focus from 2005!

Sorry, but 9s or 15s or 10s or 6s doesn't tell you anything meaningful about the cars. 9s in the wet slower than an SS is pretty bad, but much like driving in the sand, the time is irrelevant.

 

Face it McLaren doesn't have the pedigree to compete in this class.

 

I agree with you on that one. I am disappointed by the straight line performance numbers though. Nowhere near to what they claimed.

 

They're basically a start up company, we'd be foolish to think they could build a car on their level. Test prove it, even bugatti is a superior car and it's old.

 

I beg to differ. It was slower in the dry. If that matters to you, then the SS is vastly inferior. If wet matters to you, the the SS is vastly inferior to a Ford Focus. If straight line matters to you, then yes, SS seems to be the the winner.

The Bugatti was worse in the dry and only marginally quicker in a straight line. Wet time is meaningless because it's AWD and both suck compared to even a Ford Focus.

It just has way more power/tq, which is all you need in the top end. Just look at a 2000 hp TTG. 180mph in 8s and can be used just as easily as a Veyron SS or regular Gallardo for that matter. And I'd point out that these Gallardos have way more miles and usage, and far lower maintenance cost than a Veyron.

I don't think this test makes the SS superior. It just makes it different.

BTW, on the TG track, the Veyron SS was slower than a 12C. Which car is superior?

 

It was only one test. MT used a Vbox and got 149mph @ 9.8 in race mode with an impromptu test. Which is more official? I dunno. Different surface, different day, different tires, different cars.

 

He's being sarcastic.

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For the record, those eager to see the Leno P1 video will have that need fulfilled on Monday.

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Yeah, but...

The Veyron is basically now a 10 year old design. It also weighs 500+ kilos more than P1 and has tires that are nowhere near as grippy as those on the Mclaren. It also has nowhere near the downforce(at least if we believe Mclaren's claims)

I'm much more in shock just how close, really, the Bug is in the dry. Really goes to show just how special that car is.
I would like to see how big the difference would be between them if Veyron's tires were changed to something more appropriate for track duty.

 

Well, it's not exactly 10 years old as I'm sure it has seen plenty of improvements over the years aside from massive power increase.

But anyway, it's not close. Not even remotely.

On that same track the SS is only 1.5s quicker than a F430, according to FL. So therefor:

P1 is equally better than an SS as an SS is than an F430. That's a lot IMO.

Also, that dry track has some very high-speed and long straights based on how it looks in that picture. Not saying TG is a great source, but the SS was 6.1s quicker than an F430 there and the 12C was quicker than the SS.

I'm inclined to believe that on other circuits the difference between the P1 and SS would be much, much more noticeable, even though 1.7s on this particular track is quite a bit.

 

One impromptu tests vs arguably the most thorough test in the UK . With several runs , same surface , proper set up equipment , same driver and a whole team of support and 2 way runs…
Whats interesting is the 0 to 60 etc are spot on , after that the figures just trail off .

 

I'm sure they kept on improving the car, but there is no going around that the basic design is now actually more than 10 years old(it was in development phase for a long time before being released)

It is very close considering several factors

1) Bug is not a track car
2) Bug weighs a lot more
3) The tires on the Bugatti are far older design and they lack the grip of Mclaren's tires
4) Bug aerodynamics is not as advanced as Mclaren's

Agreed, some other tracks will probably show a bigger difference, but on this very occasion Veyron more than stood it's ground.

 

Yeah, but we're splitting hairs here. We're talking fractions of a second.

Maybe a slightly warmer day and completely dry as opposed to mostly dry will make a difference.

BTW, did they run the P1 in race more or sport?

 

IMO it's just not a great track to show the youth of the P1 or age of the SS.

It's really short with long, relatively straight sections. I think the wet circuit would have been more interesting in the dry.

There aren't a lot of lap times for the SS, but the TG track shows even an Aventador being quicker on that track or very close to it. I really do think this AC test is just a case of the Veyron being able to mask it's performance with it's brute force.

Unless of course the P1 is only barely quicker than an Aventador or 12C, which I highly doubt.

 

I agree. Who is interested in wet track times? Not me. Too tire dependent.

 

It's a good indication about daily usability. These cars are street legal first of all.

 

Meh. Bull****. A good indication of daily usability if trunk space, braking distance, high-gear passing acceleration, clearance, and slalom.

This is not an indication of anything but racing in the wet. The test is about going as fast as you possibly can. You'd most likely cause an accident doing these speeds in the rain on a normal road. I'd even go as far to say as you'd be too scared to drive like this in the wet on a normal road. I know I would be very uncomfortable using 900hp on the mortared paths we can roads in America when it's raining out or very wet, let alone other idiots and obstacles all around me.

Last year had the most snow on record and lasted 4-5 months. Where's the snow lap?

 

All these extended test are made to gather as much info as possible, how the car will behave in different road/track conditions – acceleration, braking, cornering, dry performance, wet performance, noise, overtaking capabilities, etc, etc.

Have you think for example, why every tire comparison (even UHP ones) test include wet performance? Racing? Don’t think so…

 

These cars will rarely be driven in the rain anyway. Their raison d' etre is totally different.

 

So why not do snow tests too? Why not do 0-100 and 0-300 in the wet?

Making a big deal, or any deal for that matter, about a wet lap time makes no sense. No one is trying to create the best wet performer any more than they are the best snow performer. If they were, they'd create an AWD car and give it tires designed for anything but dry, warm weather.

Nobody has ever cared about wet performance. If you set the NR for wet lap time, nobody will care. If you set the record for 1/4 mile in the wet, nobody will care.

Is it interesting that the P1 did so poorly in the wet? Sure. Does it detract from the car's performance in the dry? Not any more than snow would.

 

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You can choose what is for you the best. For me, will be always the best LaFerrari.

 

BTW, these are the wet conditions. Is anyone actually interested in a lap time in these conditions?
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Mark "Ron Dennis" Antar out, noone1 in. McLaren fanatics, you are so pathetic

 

Just call it like I see it. P1 is the fastest car they've tested on the track. End of story.

Are you going to try and spin that fact somehow?

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All three cars are winners.

918-best looking(imo) and fastest Porsche road car ever. (My fav prolly)
LaF-bestest Ferrari ever.
P1-bestest McLaren ever(ok, tie with F1).

Having said that, I heard the 918 doesn't "FEEL" all that fast.
While the P1 feels like a LAND ROCKET.

LC