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So how close?? This has to be a photo trick right?

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  1. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    #1 Juan-Manuel Fantango, May 8, 2014
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    Tell me this is BS, no way this is really this close right?

    An email that's being passed around goes like this....


    A Royal Air Force Typhoon pilot
    Drives up to the back door of a C-130
    (Hercules) for a photo opportunity.
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    #5 Juan-Manuel Fantango, May 8, 2014
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    ". . . Or do you want me to come in?"



    You have to be a tad mad to be a fighter pilot in today's world but, even crazier to be a photographer looking into those big air intakes!
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  6. Rifledriver

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    Seems to me the intake of the Typhoon would create a vacuum in the Herc and have a compressor stall?

    Not to mention suck out everything not bolted down and the ear drums of anyone in the cargo bay.


    But what do I know.

    It has to be moving a lot of air even at that power.
     
  7. MarkPDX

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    No idea about the airflow but it apparently is fine

    As for the back end of a Herk, everything is attached in some way otherwise it would fly out with the ramp open. The camera is very securely strapped down and any crew members would be in harnesses attached to 5k lb tiedown points.

    Those pics have been around for a while and I have no reason to imagine they are faked in any way. Just a cool photo op session.
     
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    I think the last few images are cropped in such a way as to make the Typhoon look closer than it really is. And a long lens can foreshorten distances.

    I also figure that to formate on a C-130, the jet is probably flying relatively slowly, so its engines are probably not much above idle speed.
     
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    It's not a trick per say. As the previous link and posts said, someone in the front of the c130 with a zoom lens "pulls" the background forward.
    A dolly zoom in motion picture illustrates it. From JAWS:
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  10. onocoffee

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    there's something wrong with the last pic. The sizing of the fighter compared to the bodies in the foreground doesn't look right. Plus, the shadowing and pilot orientation is the same as in the previous pic - indicating that it was photoshopped.

    Does anyone have a link to the finished video?
     
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    I would be surprised that the fighter jet could get enough airflow over the wings to prevent a stall in the wake of the big cargo plane. Isn't that what killed Goose?

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  12. Bob Parks

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    From what I know about air flow I believe that there is plenty of it for that fighter to fly okay. The ramp is down and probably would have some turbulent flow but flow. With the ramp up the flow would be smoother. I don't think that it is a trick picture but what do I know.
    Fighter pilots are nuts to begin with so I don't doubt that he would do something like this.
    My favorite story is from WW2 when a young Marine Corps pilot was challenged by a general who asked him what he would do if he was attacked by 25 Zeros. Answer: " I'd shoot the bastards down!"
     
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    Disagree. I do lots of PShop, superimposing images; I see too many details of angle/bkgnd/etc. that are different. Could not move the image attitude of the Typhoon against the clouds…..

    I vote It's Real, and I think I would rather have been the photog who shot the pic, rather than be the guy IN the pic…...
     
  14. alexm

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    No reason why not real.. assuming possible to be in wake like that.. as others have said looks like foreshortening and compression from long lens makes it look more dramatic and closer than it might actually be..
     
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    Hope I'm not raising this from the dead, but...

    Typhoon has no problems with any power setting even sitting still on the deck, so no reason to think that whatever is needed to fly behind a Herc, probably 60-70%, are no issue whatsoever.

    Regarding airflow over the wings, and, specifically, the canard, there's plenty of airflow. Why, because we know there's no big vacuum at the Hercs ramp edge. How do we know? Because I and thousands of others have stood right at the edge of that ramp as long as we wanted before jumping out and nothing ever sucked us out!

    As to photochopped, I have no idea.

    Looks modestly legit to me.

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  16. Jason Crandall

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    ^^What he said^^
     
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    Not much different from aerial refueling and I have done that hundreds of times. You just fly formation on the other aircraft. T/W on the Typhoon makes that pretty easy and she flys well at high AoA, too. On aircraft like a KC-97 (showing my age here), 15 degrees flaps and one engine in min burner for an F-111 with no wing and no thrust. Whole different thing for something like a Typhoon, F-15, F-16, etc with lots of wing and lots of thrust.
     

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