Would you prefer a Turbo or NA engine on the 458 Successor?

Then again the QP is the most sporty and rewarding limo to drive, exactly as a Maser should be. I am not worried about them.

 

Haven't driven it but what about the new S63 AMG?

 

More of an autobahn bruiser I reckon, rather than a sporty car (as sporty as a limo can be - but the QP is surprisingly agile for its size!).

 

Without having driven the new QP extensively, I read a few reviews where it was critized for having lost a great deal of the sporty character which could be found in the previous model. (For which I have driven quite a few of). When taken into consideration that the car's luxury qualities are not on par with the S-class, 7-series, XJ etc. it appears it seems to fall between two chairs. Not sporty enough and not luxurious enough.

Maserati is selling more cars than ever (thankfully) and it's no secret the QP is intended for the US/Asia market while the Ghibli is more geared towards us Europeans. So as long as they continue to prosper I'm happy.

 

Could mistermaranello and Richie both be right? Inconceivable!

Are More Ferrari Hybrids On the Way?
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2014/5/3/Are-More-Ferrari-Hybrids-On-the-Way-7720115

 

What a stupid article, just copypasted from the German magazine completely out of context.

And NO, the entire lineup will not be turbocharged. V12's will remain NA, V8's will go FI.

Of course we will see more hybrid drive. But that is still quite a few years down the road, not in the near future.

 

I can't even call it an "article"!



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if successor of Maserati Gran Turismo will have V8 turbo, which turbo it will be? V8 from California T or this from Quattroporte? I believe that California T engine woill sounds a little better than in Quattroporte

 

This made no sense to me.

"Instead of going the full hybrid route (for now), Ferrari will continue with its plan to turbocharge its entire lineup – including the 458 successor. However, don’t be surprised to see some forms of mild hybrid technology utilized at the same time."

 

Don't get it wrong, it was meant for the way it was structured.
Weak article, I've only wanted to read more.



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It makes no sense because it's boloney.

 

I think some of you that want "low end torque" should buy diesel instead. Seriously, we aren't driving dump trucks.

The 458 has one of the best drive-train combinations ever put into a street car. Why? Because it utilizes gearing to optimize the deliverable powerband. Sure there are faster cars, but none as enjoyable. People are not appreciating the short gear ratio combo that Ferrari has setup in these cars. Maybe because most spend their time driving to Starbucks at 40mph.

The type of power delivery that low end torque motors produce do NOT belong on exotic cars period. Plenty of cheaper alternatives already deliver that experience.

The other issue here is, the total surface area of the tire that is actually touching the road is equivalent to a sheet of paper. Who cares if you have gobs of power if you cannot put any of it down. This is an issue that plagues the F12, and makes it less enjoyable to use on actual imperfect roads then the 458.

Producing powerful high revving NA engines requires considerable skill. Producing power out of turbo's requires none. Anyone can slap on a set of turbos onto a v8 and pick any power level they want. Consistency however is another issue. Turbo's have always been a "hack" on power adder.

If F1 cannot make a turbo motor sound well, what makes people think the road cars will be any different? Modern turbos are not the same as 30 years ago, they are much more efficient and make use of all available exhaust gases. Consistent power delivery is another problem. You will always have heatsoak issues without expensive intercooler setups.

I'm not going to be paying exotic prices for a boosted motor with power levels that an 18 year old can replicate in their garage with a honda. If it's not high rev NA then forget it.

 

Read in a German magazine: "the coming M458 in 2016 with 670 turbo-hp is having the first test drives...".

 

I doubt it will have that much horsepower - but I am hoping for it

 

Now that's an ignorant post! Tell you what, how about you go turbo something and make reliable, usable big power with it? You can start with selecting a proper turbine and compressor stage for the application and explaining to us the compressor map and adiabatic efficiency you expect to achieve.

F1 cars in the early 80s sounded pretty good to me and they went well, too. In the sports prototype era, 'ol Enzo went home with his tail between his legs after the torque monster GT40s arrived. As far as I know never to return to endurance sports prototype racing at the high level. Porsche proceeded to dominate Le Mans with 917, 956 and 962. All turbos. Since Ferrari bailed in sports car racing at the Le Mans level, Porsche, Peugeot, Bentley, Audi, McLaren and even Mazda have won overall.

I'd say you are a dinosaur. But even the older cars had turbos. You are just ill informed or ostrich-like when in comes to turbos.

And I'll close with repetition of the fact that no one seems to think the F40 makes bad noises or lacks all that makes a Ferrari a Ferrari.

 

And BMW in 1999.

The jury is still out on the new turbo engines. we are anxiously awaiting a hands on evaluation.

the 458 is a little faster than the F40. Turbo lag and no ABS makes it a car that should be driven by a very skilled driver...and that's not a bad thing. Just the opposite. I would love to get my hands on one.

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I want a NA V8

 

capristo or novitec will make this turbo souds better?

 

The journalist who has written this report is one of the most known journalist in Germany with a serious track record. I assume this information is correct…

 

It could be right. One reason to wonder is that a 670 hp set up would likely meet or exceed the power to weight ratio of the F12. My guess is that Ferrari will want to have the 458M just a tad slower than the flagship, ... but who knows?

 

With the 650S taking over for the 12C, can Ferrari offer its next mid-V8 with less than 670hp?

 

The 458 exceed the 599 maybe the same will happen again ?

 

Yes because they don't need to compete in horsepower numbers with McLaren - IMO

 

Over half of the guys here are saying NA over T.

(While I appreciate NA...) Just answer this, would you rather have :

-308 or
-288GTO

Because 288GTO is basically a turbo 308.

 

Make it NA or Turbo, I trust the guys at the factory and I'm sure Ferrari will deliver again a drop dead gorgeous car paired with a great driving experience.

Ferrari didnt do many turbo cars, but the 288GTO and the F40 clearly show they know how to build icons that people will remember decades later.

Given the choice, I'd take a NA over a Turbo.
But given a clean sheet of paper, I'd look into a watered down version of LaFerrari.
A smaller displacement V8 paired with batteries. Like a 450hp 4.0L V8 with 150hp worth of electric motors, some sort of a screamin CS with more torque than a 599