Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Different days, different conditions....... You still don't get it? What's so hard not to understand? The 918 test was done the same day same driver.

 

It's just sad how you pigeon hole anyone who makes a comment you don't appreciate or care to agree with. For the record, the first person to make that comment is not a McLaren guy, he's just a car enthusiast, and probably could be accused of being more of a Ferrari and Porsche fan than a McLaren fan based on what I know about him.

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ah the ring again. only one of these 3 cars felt the need to have to post a time. From all the reviews they say it is now only a 2 horse race? the mclaren is slower in a straight line to the ss (that all 3 of these cars are close is extraordinary) but it is faster than the 918 to 140mph+.

The reviews of the laferrari have all said so far how well it drives and feels as a drivers car (a job well done), as have all of the reviews of the p1. the 918, nobody has said this about.

I think what is important is with all of their performances being so similar on different days and in also different ways, it is going to come down to feel, driver satisfaction and other subjective things. As all the reviewers who have driven them have said, it is now only a 2 horse race.

(for the record i still think the mclaren will beat any of them on the same day on the same track, minus the wet weather where obviously a ford will beat it)

 

Mclaren as a relatively new supercar maker, is trying to establish itself in the world and the McFans are helping it out by taking all opportunities to extoll the virtues of its products vis-a-vis the products of the established manufacturers. Too bad many of these McFans resort to bad mouthing and mud slinging respected supercar manufacturers that over decades have advanced the art & science of creating legendary cars year after year. Too eager to join the legendary club I guess.

Once Mclaren starts churning out consistently good to great engines of it's own, in large varieties (in lieu of outsourcing basically the same 3.8 with different levels of boost), then they have a good chance of building on their presently thin supercar resume and someday attaining legendary status.

 

Huh. I thought the current market had shown the McLaren F1 legendary. And it has as many on the resume as Porsche (2). And there just aren't that many out there from any maker. Oh well, wash, rinse, repeat. I'm sure there's another 400 pages of Groundhog day.

 

It's also faster than the track special Dodge Viper ACR, which we all know is a track monster.

Keep in mind 918 uses Michelin rubber which is also designed to decrease rolling resistance... A proper semi slick would see it be even faster and could maybe even improve braking feel slightly.

 

What I don't get is why are you guys everytime there is review from other car thats not P1 trying as hard as you can to find faults? I mean seriously, "only 5 sec faster and that much more expensive"? Is that serious? Should lap times be proportional to price you pay for the car, especially for hypercars? What kind of logic is that?

And as far as lap times go, we cannot compare them since obviously no body drove all 3 together. What we can compare however is reaction on lap times that these cars made. Autocar posted somewhat disappointing lap time from P1 that was mere 2 secs faster then SS and F12 and whats the reaction?

"Oh must have been these two puddles of water otherwise God knows how fast would it go"

McLaren boasted about fastest ring times and as far as I'm concerned they didn't even break the 7 minute mark. Reaction?

"Who seriously cares about time, its irrelevant and dangerous. McLaren sold all cars so why should they even release it?". Be sure that company that has been decades in F1, the company that cares for every thousand of second, WOULD post a lap time if they have beaten it.

Autocar achieved 1.22G lateral force, again mere ~8% from F12, reaction?

"Oh they probably didn't activate race option...track was wet...something puddles something puddles..."

Thats all I'm saying. Excuses. Ever since their ring time was absent. Its fantastic car, it might be better then the two of other FANTASTIC cars, but some of you have gone lengths to disprove anything good about these and exaggerate negatives while at the same time doing the best you can to make P1 seem like a space ship. I don't have enough money for either of these so no horse to race in this one, but it is getting kind of pathetic to read some of these posts.

Anyway to answer to Pelton, I know he is a car enthusiast as most of us are (and you especially) but that doesn't make him objective or infallible.

 

As a mclaren fanboy and cheerleader, I do actually agree with this. I appreciate and admire both ferrari and porsche. and to be competing with them is the top end as far as I am concerned. I don't care much for koenigseggs, hennessys or paganis. The hi end tech in these 3 is the difference - Traction control, activish suspension, and computers making them drive so easily in a drift with 900 horsepower, this is the difference. drivability. they are all good, two are better. someday someone will get them all on the same track at the same time. I hope they hire a pro driver and then I might have an opinion.

 

don't make up your own quotes, you sound a little simple.

If the Mclaren consistently beats the 918 arround the track on the same day then you'll have to concede the mclaren did it faster? maybe?

 

Absolutely. Thats what car racing and lap time is all about. You have better time = you are faster. No "We will be fastest everywhere..." "We did it but we won't say how fast because its dangerous and unimportant". Can you imagine F1 without lap times and everyone going by their word? Yea...

Anyway, it was suppose to beat it around Nurburgring but it didn't. I'm pretty sure it will beat it though, on more gp style tracks, but until it does its slower on one track for now.

 

I watched walter rohrl's onboard round there in that yellow ruf 911 thing, that was ****ing crazy. when i watched the 918s record onboard. that looked scary as **** as well, unbelievable and a job well done. the speeds these 3 are now getting to is plaid

 

Yea those are nut laps. But you got to understand, to achieve 6:57 time at Nurburgring Porsche pounded couple of 918s, plus only Lieb managed 6:57, Timo Glucks fastest time was second slower and WR was 7:01 I think, it was far far from easy so people shouldn't expect breaking that record so easily. I mean, Zonda R (track car, illegal) achieved 10 seconds faster lap on slicks so obviously its very hard to find the time on Green Hell once you get below 7 min mark. I reckon Porsche could have done 2-3 second faster lap if battery wasn't dying out on them at last long straight but thats burden hybrid cars will have to carry...

Anyway, whoever drives that car on the Ring won't go below 7 min, its bloody hard and you have to go there several times with mechanics and engineers and all the logistics, plus great drivers and then nicking time as good as you can (which is more often then not slower).

 

There's definitely a reason Porsche laid down their very impressive 6:57 at the Ring and then quickly went back to the drawing boards to find more power for the 918, delaying their project for another 6 months. It certainly wasn't to simply put a bigger stamp on their perception of authority - it was because they weren't and still are not regarded as the fastest of these three cars. This isn't a fan boy driven comment - it is simply the facts, once again.

Doom will be back here to talk about his butt again soon, I am sure.

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surely this isn't the final production 918 though? there's more power? torque? and brake feel? (yes sarcasm)

 

OK after reading all the opinions on the (actually wholly positive) autocar test, I did feel the need to give it back a little bit.

 

The fact is that 918 is the fastest at the moment. Untill anyone else proves different it remains like this.

 

Well Porsche has been "adding" power to 918 trough last two years. They were very conservative with what they announced and I'm sure they will squeeze last bits of juice out of that car, but AFAIK Doom said that was already on "menu" when they posted record time.

I guess majority of performance should come from battery utilization because it was TOTALLY deplated on last straight. Just there they could get another few seconds but more then that I just cant see it.

Neither of these three cars can and theoretically should be faster then Zonda R on slicks with no E Motor and total racing boodywork.

 

Theoretically; no.

Can; well that's a different story.

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Hmm Liebs tires where "burning", totally destroyed at the end of lap. Zonda R has VERY similar acceleration and speed times and has whopping 750bhp power to weight ratio. Along with bodywork made SOLELY for racinf and slick tires. Sorry, neither of these three cars is faster then Zonda R on the Ring.

 

did the zonda R have active aero or suspension? did the zonda have maximum torque at low revs from it's electric motor? more importantly did it have modern rubber?> i'll bet any of you 5 figures that the P1 proves to be quicker then the Zonda R on the Nurburgring. I don't think you realise how much tyres play a part in this game. all of the makes have been quietly upgrading their rubber

 

Did Porsche 956 have any of those 30 years ago when it put record that still stands?

Active suspension? For more stiffnes and lower ride? It doesnt need any its practically glued to the ground, its illegal to even be driven on the road because its MADE for track.P1 didnt beat it, please stop with kool aid. P1 track edition may, but stock, road legal P1 didnt and we dont have to bet.

Modern rubber? It was 4 years ago on slick tires what are you on about?

Anyway, again...see this is what Ive been talking about when I said "you guys". There is NO time. Zero. Zip. Nada. And if there was and it was faster then road llegal Ring champion for 4 years, you can bet your house they would release it. Cmon lets be realistic here...

 

I'd be willing to bet. That the P1's latest trofeos would be able to beat the zonda Rs slick time round the nurburgring

 

Well then you will be pleasantly surprised when the 918 matches the Zonda R's its next time around the Ring.

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Lap times only count for qualifying. After that who cares? Now for street cars, they count, but only on the same day same driver. Otherwise there's just too many variables. That shouldn't be too hard to fathom.

 

Is this some kind of joke?

I actually joined to respond to this.

Motor Trend was quoting/comparing the P1's impromptu test about a month ago on an airfield. They were NOT done on the same day.

Yes, Motor trend mysteriously re-released it's 'Fastest Car Tested Video' around the same time. But ironically, it also stated the 918 was it's 'New Fastest Car ever' in a variety of areas. Note: The comparisons in the article, were from the P1's quick airfield test previously. I'm sure no one thinks the Bugatti Veyron SS was tested the same day with the same driver as well? Where were the pictures of all three cars??

I find humorous, that some can recall select facts in detail, but fail to know something as simple as this.

Motor Trend, stated, the 918 broke their record for the figure 8 test, the Willow Springs track (I think it was that one), as well as it's 0-60 test. And that was with the standard car.

It would be great to see them actually tested on the same track the same day indeed.