Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

This statement is very rich, considering McLaren has nothing to back up their Ring Claims (along with it's flagging/questionable credibility and reputation) while there.

Truly rich.

This is not a flame. Just a fact, and anomaly.

 

Seems like the only place it's rep and cred is lost is here. So I don’t really think they're too heartbroken that Fchat is talking them down.

 

It is very rich, and yet I offer it to you free of charge.

I am aware you have no proof from McLaren - we've done at least 100 pages on that already.

Frankly it is the owners of the 918 who will be lucky as had Porsche simply stuck to the original plan for performance and weight targets the car would have been severely outclassed. Competition improves the breed, as they say.

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I quoted the Mt article because people on here disregard it an use the Autocar test to suit their needs. And yes same day same driver makes all thy difference regardless of what you think. That's why lightning lap and best drivers cars test are done with all the cars there. To prevent the bs that's been going on here for close to 500 pages. That's why they do group test, because it matters. What is so hard to understand? It will never be settled if the cars are tested at different times period. One side will always cry foul. Like the zr1 viper test at laguna Seca. The vette was faster when both cars were there. Then Srt brought a different viper and barely set the record but vette fans cried foul because the zr1 wasn't there to run the same day. That's the way it works. I guess top gear had the p1 and 918 together, but if the p1 wins porsche fans will say it's not the production car. So that's going to be a useless comparison, unless the porsche is quicker.

 

Zonda R : 6;47,5 Full (20,832 Km)
918 Spyder : 6:57 (20,600 Km) without box straight

Zonda R time should be decreased of about 4-5 sec to be compared ....

Luque

 

Actually, to be fair, Porsche built at least 4 that I can recall: 959, GT1, Carrera GT, 918.

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Look harder. Richard Hammond talked about it and questioned McLarens claim during his TopGear review of the 918. Chris Harris also seemed to be in disbelief when they announced that they wouldn't be releasing a time. Plenty of non-believers outside of F-Chat.

 

So Dennis said it was gonna be the fastest car ever, even considering what was going to come after it, was going to break all the records and the P1 gets beaten by a 10 years old Volkswagen. Ah ah ah ah ah ah! Ah!

Could people down with a deposit get their money back now on the basis of those claims?

 

Where did it get beat by the Veyron?

 

Not sure I'm understanding you correctly?

Are you aware that the P1 and 918 WEREN'T tested on the same day, with the same driver on the same track??

Why would the 918 and P1 be tested the same day, same track, same driver (as you allude to), and MT would say the 918 broke it's 0-60, Willow Springs, Figure 8 (and came very close to it's 60 mph braking record), and not give the P1's??.....Does that make sense? Of course not.

Those acceleration figures (1/4 mile times, and chart up to 160 mph) were very close by the way. The 918 was only 2/10th's of a second off up to 160 mph. However, they weren't tested on the same day and location, raising more questions about the P1 than the 918 (as the Porker had very consistent testing with it's standard car; albeit Road & Track had a "Drive By" as well, though on a self confessed beat up track near Austin).

The reasons why "people disregard the MT P1 test"?... My guess, because it really wasn't one. It was an impromptu run in a few select areas (probably one or limited runs), which didn't reveal much of the car. It was a "Drive By literally". By comparison, the Auto car test (and 918 Motor Trend test) were proper.

With acceleration, you would like to do 3 runs, compensating for head, tail and cross winds (and even then, atmospheric pressure and surface can affect times, compared to another location). The extremes can be startling in these type of test depending on wind conditions.That wasn't done with the P1. And I'm sure that 2.6 0-60, etc., would have been it's fastest time based on the tardier Autocar 0-60, 1/4 mile (etc.) times. Porsche as a manufacturer, appears to give this average, or outright low balls it's acceleration figures. It also needs to be mentioned: A Day of full, instrumented testing, and on the track, can reveal any reliability, quirks or reduced performance in a vehicle.

It appears the Auto car test revealed more questions and potential concerns of the P1 (based off it's Manufacturer and CEO's grandiose claims), than the track test with the 918 did in Motor Trend. These type of test, always reveals questions and makes some fans mad. That's why it's a good test. It's supposed to. It's why the MT/P1 test is probably not taken as seriously here. Two different test, two different locations. Ironically, the Motor Trend 918 and P1 Autocar test are more APPLES TO APPLES than Motor Trends own P1 and 918 testing.

It should be noted: The Autocar writer mentioned the P1 was 'supposed' to weight 1490 Kilos. This makes you wonder if the P1 is actually a decent margin over 1500 (and near 1600 fully loaded/real world), since Autocar appeared to not weigh it themselves and repeated/reported it's 1490 kilo weight. Unless I'm mistaken about this, I wish they did weigh it themselves.

It will be very interesting to see, how the P1 holds up with more stringent, repeated Autocar like test (especially in America), and as a daily driver on real roads, real conditions? This would be especially interesting with customer cars.

I for one, have nothing against the P1. However, I to like others here, feel many McLaren supporters (and it's CEO) jumped the gun and literal shark, dogmatically believing in, and vociferously peddling some of it's [still] shaky, unverified and more dubious claims.

We'll see?

 

AC test shows the P1 doing pretty much as the manufacturer claims though. Both the SS and the P1 were off their respective 0-300 times by 3-4 seconds. As for the track times, P1 set the record by quite a bit and remains the fastest car they've tested in the dry.

Either they are both way overstated or they are both on the mark, but with conditions unfavorable.

No reason to doubt the P1 and less/more than the SS.

 

You're mistaking disappointment for bad reputation and credibility. Non believers else of what, the ring time? Get over it, it seems like the rest of the world has moved on except for Fchat.

 

I never said they were. It seems that the motor trend test matched McLarens claims. Or does that not count? It just goes to show that on different tracks different days and drivers, you get different results. Until they're tested together no one knows. Except the experts on Fchat.

 

You mean like getting a fresh set of tires sent to the track. That's another variable. The state the tires are in. And other than the ring, what other claims are you talking about? Or are you just peddling your own unverified dubious remarks.

 

McLaren P1 - 205mph Onboard at Vmax Hypermax - YouTube

 

Sexton , FYI The p1 was beaten by a ccx koenigseggeggegegeseg
( not an agera or agera r) at v max ( From what I was told , I was there and the official figures are out soon ) .
For reference I hit 195/6 in a Carrera gt and I kept the wing up ( didn't pull fuse ) . It will hit about 200 with fuse pulled . It (p1) was fast but slows down after about 150 from what we could see . Still very impressive numbers but no way near 16.5 to 180

 

Autocar are the oldest car magazine in the world . Their test is thorough and the bench mark in the uk . They run as long as it takes to get the best times and run both ways to avoid wind etc .
Conditions were fine on the straight . Ac tests carried out at MIRA , that is industry standard and representative of real roads and not drag strips .
The wet surface is wet by sprinkler and is uniform and consistent.
The cars were not "down " on anything , that's just how they perform on real surfaces .
Mac was supported by a team , ( as nearly all cars are now ) and there were no mechanical issues . In my experience very few cars match manufacturer 0 to 300k times . This just proves it again . I expect the same from la Ferrari and 918 ( though Porsche told me their figures were on real road surfaces when I was at stuttgart Friday ).

Mira
http://www.mira.co.uk/our-services/proving-ground-and-events/test-tracks

 

You couldn't make this up , lol

Literally the next post . So for the p1 it's same day same driver is fair but not for any other car .

 

Porsche always do that . Cgt was initially touted as having 550 hp . Delivered car was said to be 612 . They all make more than that on a dyno , see a pattern?
Always better to under promise and over deliver

 

Incorrect , all times are industry standard .

 

If you go back further in time things like the 73 rsr, 74 rsr , 911 r , the turbos etc all were Supercar killers / supercars

 

No it s does not count . We have no mention of surface , TAIL WIND etc etc etc etc ad infinitum . The auto car test is a proper documented test taking all of the above into consideration .

 

I truly don't think Sexton realizes that the 918 and the P1 WERE NOT tested on the same day, same driver, same track, and the P1 numbers were REFERENCED by the writer in the article from their impromptu test of a month ago (unless he's mindlessly trolling). Is that not so clear to see, understand?

It's amazing how some people can pick up on the most finite negative details of an article, but the obvious ones are curiously missed.

 

The think 908 was a super car at it's time. And you were right, so were the 911 Turbo's when initially released. It was a super performer, using 1st time production technology, placing the automotive world on notice.

 

Sure Porsche do that, but how often do they announce production starting, do things like have a pro photographer come in and shoot cars on the assembly line and then delay delivering cars another 6 months?? All the while we had you and others in the Porsche camp telling us exactly why - the car's weren't fast enough. Acting like that was all to plan now is rather disingenuous.

RB appeared to be running the car in Race Mode on each attempt - the P1s ultimate VMAX would actually be set in Sport Mode, not Track or Race, as there is less downforce and therefore less drag. 205 MPH is the limit in Race Mode - 217 MPH is available in Sport Mode.

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