Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Hello Peloton , george is a friend of mine but don't let facts get in the way of a good story .

On that note ( prototypes /releasing unfinished cars) perhaps Mclaren should have waited till the cars were finished before releasing them then we wouldn't have the myriad break downs , electrical faults and battery overheating incidents experienced by P1 owners ( including the car I drove in the middle east which has already had several "software updates" trying to cure its woes ) ?

I'm sure you can drive someone else's car faster and better than he can even though he is an international level racing driver . My understanding is the owner knows his P1 very well indeed and it ran in different modes and reached several different speeds the fastest of which was 209 , there goes your "must have been in race / 205 MPH is the limit in Race Mode" nonsense , I repeat "don't let facts get in the way of a good story ". The CCX was apparently still faster , on the same day , on the same track , in the same conditions , using the same timing equipment and it wasn't my butt ( sorry to go on but I know how the cultists like an excuse or 10 ) . What mode was that in ????

 

Seems a little silly how you still hold a grudge over those fender liners.

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BTW: I don't care what series he has run in or how many cars are in his garage. I've read the complete P1 owner's manual which explains how the car operates. I have also seen quite a bit of content showing PB's P1 at VMAX yesterday and have yet to see it running in a mode other than Race which makes no sense if the goal was VMAX as that isn't the mode that allows the P1 to reach its ultimate top speed. Facts are still facts even if you don't like them.

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I completely agree . Watch all the La Ferrari tests also get torn to pieces in the next few months by the Mac Cult . A cult that forgets the 240 mph f1 that ran at ehra lessien had different gearing and the limiter removed .

Yes indeed , completely correct .

 

first thing you have said thats correct in a while " facts are still facts even if you don't like them "
I repeat :

It wasn't the fender liners that were the final straw in my decision to sell my 12c ( although a so called super car car breaking because old doom was "overdriving it" on a racetrack is rather pathetic) . It was the fact that the 12c was inconsistent in its response on and above the limit and a little bit boring . Observations that had me branded a troll on another forum you frequent .
God I love the 650s , a car that validates every single criticism of mine regarding the 12c . Notice Mclaren have dealt with all my concerns ( more " emotion " better on limit responses etc etc ), don't mess with Dooms butt dyno Eric ,its very rarely wrong lol

 

The item in bold is simply not true.

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I know that they weren't tested on the same day. I never said they were. May be you should read what I wrote. Is that so hard to understand, is that not so clear. What did I obviously miss out on? I truly don't think CarMaven actually reads the post. Unless he's mindlessly trolling.

 

lol hook line and sinker , so you admit the car was modified and customer cars were not as fast . Sound familiar ?

( forgive me but Im feeling a little mischievous tonight but the f1 at E L gearing has and always will be suspect as no customer car has ever got near that xp5)

 

The car that ran at Ehra Lessien was XP5, the fifth and final road car prototype, which had been upgraded to full production spec several years prior. It had its windscreen wiper removed, the shut lines on the bonnet were taped over to keep it from lifting, and the front license plate had been replaced by a decal. In addition, after the first two runs where driver Andy Wallace encountered the 7,500 RPM rev limiter, the car was brought in and that was increased to 8,500 RPM by the technicians from McLaren.

No one has ever disputed this - McLaren and everyone who reported on the event were always quite clear that this was the case so to act like this is some kind of "Gotcha" moment makes you look silly, and you are still wrong on your claim of a gearing change.

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I can't seem to find any mention of those parameters in the Autocar test. At least the online version. Could you please post them for me?

 

I thought that McLaren stated vmax didn't matter?

 

VMAX doesn't matter - it's a pointless statistic and even finding a place to attempt a 200 MPH run these days requires a closed 2 mile runway.

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This/You are truly scary.

This is what you said to Ferkan on 5/09/2014 at 4:29 pm (US EST), when he tried to point out your inconsistencies regarding the 918 testing by Motor Trend, and disappointments, desperation stemming from the P1 Ring debacle (the latter, his opinion):

"Different days, different conditions....... You still don't get it? What's so hard not to understand? The 918 test was done the same day same driver." Yes, you said that!

That was your exact quote. And pay special attention to the last sentence ("The 918 Test Was Done The Same Day Same Driver"). You also said more/similar, I might add. You okay?

Now stop with the nonsensical child's play please.

SMH vigorously.

 

mate I'm just messing with you , you get so upset about this stuff and pointing out customer cars dont always do what "prototypes representative of a customers car " do.
( again I mean this about most manufacturers and have posted many examples of this previously )

they state weather and run both directions to avoid wind playing a part in the tests . They use the same track( industry standard ) with the same drivers and manufacturers usually send a support team to keep the cars in fine fettle .

Vmax is an event mate , the event illustrates how fast you can drive on a runway and still stop in time for the turn at the end , its about acceleration and power . This means the CCX was able to hit a higher speed than the P1 in the available distance . I have said nothing about top speed .

 

George is a good guy - are you suggesting he was lying when he wrote this:

And did I say 6 months...?

Looking at the published date on George's article, it was July 16th of last year. Then add a few days at least for him to pull the content together and get through the editorial review process and we are approaching 10 months since "918 production started".

Was this another example of under-promising and over-delivering by Porsche, or is it really more of the opposite here? I'll leave you to ponder that. Have a good evening.

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again , its not about a vehicles v max(thats just the name of the event ) . I have no doubt that a P1 is MUCH faster than 209 at its true maximum .
Its just that in the same distance a ccx was faster . Thats it , no big deal( to me at least &#8230

 

Now this is very funny .
The original release date was september ( 9/18 remember ?) , that got pushed back to this year so I put it to you George was certainly mistaken if he said they were customer cars ( which I don't believe he did ) . Unless you can find me a press release sating a july intent of delivery/production Im sure we can all agree 918 was never meant to be built for customers ( i.e. go into production) last july Eric and you know it . I leave you to ponder that .
Still better to release a car thats actually finished rather than one that isn't eh ?

 

But you just want to disregard the fact that there is a very good reason the P1 might have been slower. Even with DRS engaged in Race Mode you're not removing as much drag from the car as could have been achieved by leaving it in Sport mode to begin with, and the limiter is designed to kick in earlier.

BTW: I don't really care whether it was slower than a CCX or not. I simply care that the owner doesn't appear to understand every facet of the car. At least he is driving it.

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It's Ironic, that Mac had the advantage of piggy baking off of Porsche's lead in creating a Hyper-Brid. But now that the P1 appears to be not exactly what McLaren's promised (surprise surprise, says Gomer Pyle), many appear mad that the Porsche has been delayed to improve it.

This is despite the fact, that the P1 no matter how bad it's diehards wants to avoid the notion, is essentially a souped up 12C, while the 918 is a purposefully built, ground up vehicle, seemingly answering a plethora of conflicting acts and conditions.

So McLaren had the advantage of following Porsche's lead (and knowing their numbers as a baseline). But now their fans are mad, that Porsche [once again] was extremely conservative, careful, and sand bagged their ultimate numbers as they always do.

Like Gomer Pyle would say: "Surrrrprise Surrrrprise"!

 

I am giving what I am getting, and I don't think you have ever upset me. I do remain firm on my beliefs and you do as well. I certainly don't take this stuff to heart though.

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I'm not talking delivery dates but clearly the implications from what George was shown and what he was told was that this was the start of production. I agree the original go live date was 9/18 - it is now 5/11 and we've seen evidence of just a handful of cars arriving in the past couple of weeks. That sure looks like a 6 month delay for reasons you have already mentioned - to paraphrase "But Wait - There's More".

I think I will manufacture license plate frames that say that for 918 owners. Could be good money in that. You'd buy one, right?

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Why is Race Mode so important, when you can't run it on the street?

Maybe I can understand for Top Speed, cause you couldn't do that on most public roads.

However, with more real world things like acceleration (particularly passing), it doesn't make sense. Also the ride height is too low for most public roads.

I'm very curious to see, how well the P1 holds up under strenuous testing, both on and off the track. This is both from a performance, convenience and reliability perspective, particular customer cars with non English journalist (though, I guess as Rasheed Wallace would said with Auto Car "Numbers Don't Lie").

I guess we'll see/find out soon enough

 

Why is this important.

You're reeking desperation, grasping for straws here it appears (with all due respect).

Cars get delayed all the time for various reasons. You know that. And reporters are wrong about production stuff all the time (especially that reporter), even if George did say that. This happens for various reasons (no new articles, one upping competitors, quickly changing info/objectives from the manufacturer, hungry editors/low clicks and eyeballs, etc.).

And no car has been as technological advanced as the 918 Spyder (with such conflicting objectives and drive train/software integration), so it would only make sense. This has been communicated to owners during the process.

You're acting as if, Porsche just took a current model, tacked on an electric motor to it; gave it a body kit, then added a turbo charger to an already (tweaked in house) outsourced engine, quickly pushing it out for sales.

 

Someone educate our new friend on Race Mode please.

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You mean the top speed the CCX achieved vs P1 or was it in front of P1 at the end of the runway?

And as Erik said, P1's fastest setting is in Sport mode. It will not only affect top speed, but certainly acceleration too.

 

Not acting like that at all - and that's a terribly inaccurate bunch of words you are trying to cram into my mouth. I simply was making the point that Porsche missed their production target in order to make the 918 faster so that it wouldn't be totally outclassed by the other two hypercars.

#butwaittheresmore

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