Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

That is your opinion, what Internet trolls say.

Porsche, always starts out low, then increases numbers when a vehicle has a long production target.

The irony is, Porsche was systematically increasing their numbers on the 918 when most folks didn't notice/care (before, around, and after the then 7:14 ring record time way back yonder, that every one forgot already).

Once again: McLaren had the advantage of following Porsche's lead into this new arena. Why didn't McLaren come up with the Hyper-brid idea first, leading the market? That's what makes your trolling simultaneously humorous and hypocritical.

Since Macca did not: your position only appears like sour grapes, and mindless, childish Internet trolling and frustration (especially with the Autocar results), since McLaren just followed Porsche's lead in the first place.

You would have much higher ground and moral authority to stand on, if McLaren would have entered this market first, as Porsche. But we all know, they did not, and it shows.

 

McLaren finalised P1's concept back in 2009, which is before the 918 Spyder was unveiled. They also made about 11 purely electric 12C prototypes.

 

Yeah, but they didn't release/give it the go ahead.

That's what I'm talking about. That only makes them more scared, proves my point (that they had one on the books).

Anyone can have an idea or a concept. Lot's of automakers do. You know that Mark.

And since they did (have one on the books as you say), why didn't they build a new car from scratch, like Porsche???????

Hmmmhhhhh?????

FYI: Porsche was racing their GT3 Hybrid before then, if I remember correctly and contemplated releasing one for production before McLaren had theirs on the books. Porsche just went all in, tore up the GT3 Hybrid idea and went in with the 918 (which they also had an RSR concept/display vehicle before the Macca idea as well, I would assume). That was the orange one with the flywheel.

The bottom line is: It doesn't really matter who had their idea/Hyperbrid idea first. Porsche was the one with the courage to give the production go ahead, along with the financial, engineering commitment of their vehicle [initially]. This was done, [mean] while Macca and Ferrari followed like opportunistic puppies (no disrespect to Marranello or Woking) after watching Porsche pull the veils and curtains.

Face it: Porsche set the [new] market. I don't think that can be objectively argued against.

 

CarMaven - you can call me names all you want (perhaps to the detriment of your continued participation here) but it remains a fact that Porsche delayed full production of the 918 by at least six months to make it faster and it is still not perceived by anyone to be the quickest/fastest of this trio. It's a good thing for the owners who have been patiently waiting but I am still not sure if third place is good enough to fill the order book?

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ER

 

Desperation, childishness personified. SMH/LOL

"Whoa/Ohhh K" Peloton. Gotcha!!

Glad we got past that one, with you setting the record straight and all.

Now [let's] move along.

 

No kidding but I really enjoy the back and forth intellectual masturbation going on here, even if it's only over which new supercar is best.

 

We all know which one is the best.

Problem is we will never agree.

The luckiest individuals are the ones who won't have to choose, and it seems there will be several of them.

FTR I'd be pleased to have any of them in my garage, even the one that is the least pretty and the one that is a bit overweight.

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ER

 

Im not disregarding anything , Im telling you what happened . The p1 went over the race settings top speed which kind of tells you it wasn't in race mode , no?

Its like pulling teeth ...

Final pre production prototypes .

Do that , its a good plate but don't forget the "sorry I've broken down" and "battery overheating , please pass this side>" ones for the P1 .

Mark im a very patient man with I like to think a pretty good sense of humour but even I have a limit to the amount of times I'm going to repeat something in a slightly different way so you guys can understand it ...

 

No - it doesn't. Maybe if there really is a run that registered 209 MPH as you are claiming the car had a bit of help from a tail wind.

Shmee's in-car video shows PB's P1 registering 210-211 MPH on the speedo, but during that run the car is in Race Mode where top speed is limited to just 205 MPH. In fact PB says "That was 205 MPH" as they head back to the starting line and Shmee's video caption reads "205mph as reported by the radars".

It should not be difficult for you to understand that running the car in a mode with less drag would equal both faster top end acceleration and a higher max speed. The P1 is capable of going 12 MPH faster before reaching its ultimate limit of 217 MPH when not in Track or Race Mode. It doesn't appear from any evidence I have seed that an attempt in Sport Mode was ever made, so you are insisting on something being obvious while ignoring certain facts that don't suit what you'd like the world to know.

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ER

 

I take that back - it appears PB did do one run at Bruntingthorpe in Sport Mode. It was his reconnaissance run.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3TB3BsW6Dc]VMAX 200 Mclaren P1, F1 LM, Enzo and more - YouTube[/ame]

Otherwise it was Race Mode:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJqQN8ZJds[/ame]

Race Mode and Race Mode:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvofGPUUmOk[/ame]

...and more Race Mode (with DRS deployed). That's simply not how you achieve VMAX in the P1 and if I'd been there I'd have let him in on this little not-so-secret fact.

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What's the issue with Porsche delaying production? They did so to make various major improvements, including making the car considerably faster. Does anyone have a problem with the first owners having to wait a few more months for their cars?

The production target is ambitious but the fact remains that the Porsche is the best selling of the three. McLaren would be considered the sales flop of the three as they threw in the towel when they couldn't fill their order book.

 

Oh, do excuse me then, because I don't think you made it clear enough. Now I understand that P1 was ahead at the end. Thank you for the very thorough explanation.

 

Yawn...

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ER

 

That's a stunning shot Erik. Love seeing the DRS working. Puts a smile on my face every time!

 

"Facts are still facts even if you don't like them"

 

Try sharing some knowledge instead of just negativity. What I quoted from you was hardly a fact, despite your eagerness to believe and promote it as such.

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ER

 

The cult is particularly strange today .
For the benefit of the doubt
The ccx was faster and so was a gt2 ( tuned) . The ccx ran against all comers that would accept the challenge . So did the gt2 and the ruf mid engined thingy .

Peloton , post a few pics . Whatever you need to make you feel good .
Remember it's not broken down , it's just having a rest lol

 

Negativity? I think it's a great achievement that McLaren managed to sell 375 P1's, especially considering that their last limited production model only sold 64 units before they had to call it a day

Progress is progress

 

Leno's P1 video has been released now via his YT channel.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqOLMtZufsI]2015 McLaren P1 - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube[/ame]

He seems pretty pleased.

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ER

 

So he should be . Great car the p1 , that's what you don't get

 

Yes, and now they sell for 8-digit prices. What a day it was!

BTW: It was 106 in total, not 64. If you only want to count sold units it was 99.

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ER

 

This is interesting...

 

The market certainly doesn't lie

I was talking about road cars, no other variants. I don't know how many P1 track versions McLaren plan to produce but, in any case, they will have their own production figures separate to the 375 road cars.

 

It is interesting coming from the guy who informed us he's taking delivery of a later 918 to make sure all the bugs are worked out first.

But it's Porsche and they've had all... that... time...

Maybe the 6 month delay was not to make the 918 go faster. Perhaps it was to make absolutely certain the car did exhibit any inherent design flaws like its predecessor that would bring them more unfortunate headlines?

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ER

 

The co*k measuring contest never seems to stop.... ;-)