Would you prefer a Turbo or NA engine on the 458 Successor?

I believe that he said: FUC* turbo and FU*K this idiots politicans who are responsible for this F*CKING emission standards








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Good. We know have at least 3 individual sources in this thread alone stating the obvious.

For those who decide upon continuing to live in denial, I don't know what to say...

 

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And please, do not judge before you have heard the sound.



I have commented that the Bentley GT has a good sound with twin turbo's but have never heard another turbo charged car sound anywhere close to that of a NA or supercharged motor. Do you have a found track of a car with a turbo that you feel is comparable to NA or supercharged? Best

 

Emission regulations do not require a turbo. turbos are used to sleak betetr results for fuel economy regs, because the tests are usualy conducted in off boost conditions, making for low CO2 and good fuel economy. Of course as anyone who has driven a wrx knows, once you dip intot he boost fuel economy is worse, like big v8 bad. So the whole turbo thing is a swizz shell game. The other possible benefit is a turbo makes a smaller lighter engine possible aiding handling etc. But ferrari V8s are already pretty light and theya re not going to a turbo 4.

Of course turbos can also really amp up the power for a given dispalcement so if your competition is say Mclaren with 650 hp, and you need to match that with small displacement then boost is the way to go. Its making cars with paper eprformance though.

The new ferrai will ba hailed as more powerful and a "lot: faster. Here is what will be lost, micorometer throttle response and adjustment along with sound. So once again in the name of Tech somehtign of the tactility and talkability of the car will be lost. Turbos are like eps, sort of almost as goood but in the end not really.

What ferrrai should do is build their turbo motors for the fashionistas who are 90% of their clientale, and then build a far far lighter smaller more minimalist na car for the core. That way they migth also retain some cred.

 

Don't forget, BMW changed the M4 from a V8 to a V6 turbo engine. I guess the missing two cylinders makes the bigger difference in sound then the turbo system. I have read in a German magazine that concerning absolute power and power delivery the new turbo engine is superior compared to the old engine.

Let us trust in Ferrari: I'm sure Ferrari will launch with the new 3.8 V8 high revving bi-turbo flat-plane crankshaft engine a further master pice, the coming engine of the year 2016

 

It's a TT I6.

 

But I'd prefer the M5 E60/M5 F10 swap.
That's one hell of increase!
I really would like to know what will they build after all this.
A 4 cylinders engine with 8 turbos? ...
They're keeping up to remove cylinders as a "green economy" issue, but what's on the other hand?
It's not the same- for me.


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The E46 M3 (n/a inline 6) makes one of the best noises I've ever heard. It's turbos that muffle noise, not lack of cylinders

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My standpoint is, that I always rate a car in its entirety. I'm not willing to define a super sports car just about its sound and its design, thats defenitelly too simple for me. Regarding "turbo Yes or No" see also my comment with the F40 and the F50 a few statements before, two master pieces - one with a V8 turbo and one with a V12 N/A. Now is it fair to say the F40 is nothing worth just because the car has a turbo? Sorry, this would be stupid!

The actual 458 is a perfect product, that's out of question for me.

But now the time will come that Ferrari has to reinvent this product line, has to reinvent its mid-engine high performance product line. And there I expect first of all better performance with more power and clearly more torque - the classical parameter of a high performance sports car. I expect the same performance step like Ferrari did from the F430 to the 458. Sound? Ok, it's also important, but never more important then power, torque and performance!

The alternative to a new turbo engine: a further step with the existing engine? 9500 rpm? 5.0 liter? Forget it, the actual engine is on its limit with the Speciale specification, a greater leap in performance without turbo isn't feasible.

Therefore, after reading the first basic parameters about the new car I'm very confident that the 458 will obtain a dignified successor, Ferrari is on the right way.

 

I personaly think the stock e46 m3 sounds like garbage. The v8 version sounds better imo.

 

Actually CO2 emission is directly linked with fuel consumption. As for smaller Ferraris, that isn't happening. Ferrari builds supercars, not small sportscars.

 

As other have pointed out, the I6 in the E46 sounded good. It's the turbos that muffle the sound both at the intake as well as the exhaust. But the journos didn't have a problem with the sound only. They said that the engine felt less exhilarating than the one it replaces. It doesn't have the red-line power crescendo, nor does it have the lightning throttle response. Turbos...

 

A 5 litre N/A V8 would have done the trick but we all know that it's not going to happen.

 

Do we live on the same planet?

Seriously the E46 M3 is one of the best sounding cars ever IMO. BMW hired a bunch of Austrian organ tuners to make the exhaust system sound right.

 

Look up E46 M3 straight pipes on youtube

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I do not take issue with your premise. My question is specific given my Bentley sounds "good", with two turbo's and 12 cylinders, while my Porsche sounds "bad" (as in not good) with two turbos and 6 cylinders. I like superchargers and find they work better for me as well without compromising sound. I own two supercharged cars. Best

 

The E46 M3 had nice induction note, but **** exhaust note. The V8 version sounded great everywhere.

 

My colleague is driving a Bentley Continental GT, a perfect car, including a well balanced sound. It seems the 6.0 V12 engine generates so much pressure that the turbines in the exhaust system aren't able to impact the sound negatively.

I was never a fan of the Porsche 911 sound, with or without turbo (except the GT3). I guess it has to do more with the 6 cylinder configuration and less with the turbo. For instance I like more the sound of the 8 cylinder engine from the Panamera, here also with or without turbo. Another "turbo-sound" I like is for example the sound of the new Mercedes AMG V8 turbo engine and the Maserati QP V8 turbo engine, really not bad.

But, and here I'm with you, one of the best "charged-sound" is coming from Jaguar F-Type/ KXR-S and from the Corvette ZR1, both supercharger engines.

It's clear, the turbines in the exhaust train aren't conducive to a full screeching sound. But on the other hand the additional power and torque is already very attractive.

In the whole turbo-sound discussion let's face one important fact: the noise regulations are becoming more and more stringent! I would say this factor limits the sound of a new sports car stronger than a turbo system. For example: a McLaren 650S with its 3.8 V8 turbo engine could sound much more aggressive and louder, but it's no longer allowed. Or why else is a V12 Aventador without turbo so "modest" in sound?

 

BGT is a W12 not a V12. Essentially two V6's that are bolted together and share the same crank if I've understood correctly.

 

Correct. The concept came from the VR6 engine (VW Golf, Passat).

 

supercharger Corvette have great sound , maybe Ferrari should be supercharged?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at49BjAa80Q

 

On which planet does an Aventador sound restrained?

 

Hello MisterMaranello,

I know you're probably right and the next car will be turbocharged. I just have one question though - is it possible that Ferrari spread misinformation to keep 458 sales up?

I can see a lot of buyers who were waiting for the next car go ahead and place orders for a 458 or 458 Speciale if they were convinced that the new car will be turbo charged...

Thanks for your input.

 

do you like this turbo sound?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLvPyRyVheM

 

SLS AMG isn't a turbo. 6.2 NA V8.