Would you prefer a Turbo or NA engine on the 458 Successor?

my fault, I didn't know that AMG still make NA engines

 

The SLS AMG uses the M159 engine. The M159 is basically a M156 (the 6.2 NA V8 found in all the previous "63" AMG's) with a different intake system, reworked valve train and camshafts plus a few other modifications. The SLS AMG is the last car to use the M156(59) engine.

The M157 is the new turbo engine (5.5 l), seen in the current S63, CL63, ClS63 and E63 thus far. The NA version of the M157 is called M152, which can be found in the current SLK55.

 

Yes, lol. I am not a fan of the stock exhaust note on the e46 m3. Sorry its just my opinion.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

 

I have never seen any car with turbocharged successor ends-up sounding better.
Just look at Pagani Zonda to Huayra, BMW M5 V10 to V8 turbo, and worst of all : 2013 F1 to 2014 F1. Even the FXX club gathering sounds better than the 2014 F1.
There are 2 things about sound :
1. Loudness : This is not really important, a lawnmower is also loud.
2. Quality : This is important. The best quality is the non-turbo F1 that produces screaming sound. For turbo charged, when low rpm before the turbo kicks in, the sound is ok. That's why if you rev the new California, it sounds a bit louder than the previous V8. But when you are driving on high revs, and downshift, the turbocharged will sound like giant vacuum cleaner and broken kitchen exhaust being operated together.
For me, I enjoy so much downshifting 458 spider with roof opened, at over 5,000 rpm. Everytime I hit the left paddle, I feel my life adds-up few minutes. If I keep doing this, I will live a very long life.

 

I don't think that any new Ferrari turbo like Cali T or 458 successor will sound as good as F40

 

Ahhhh....the epic E60 M5 NA V10 with Eisenmann Race exhaust. One of the best sounding engines I've ever driven. I was so sad when BMW dropped the V10 from the M5. That was my last BMW.

So what they will build after this are cars like the 3 cylinder i8 and throw in electric motors ala 918/P1. Exhaust symphony seems to be fading by the way side. "The i8 pipes artificial engine noises through the car’s speakers, regardless of whether the stereo is on."

On another note, V10's sound so amazing, would it be silly for Ferrari to use this platform? The Huracan is generating a lot of performance and power with their V10.


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Which doesn't sound that great to begin with...

 

so we can expect a lot of crappy sound at high revs

 

The California T sounded like the new BMW M4 in person, but louder. Both sounded pretty good, just not great. I guess for a Ferrari, that's just not enough.

 

Ideed, not good enough. Did you hear it rev hard?

 

Yeah, it was rev hard, but stationary. On the move, I'm sure it will sound better.

 

Steve Sutcliffe said that C63 AMG sounds better than M4, so this means mercedes sounds better than Ferrari?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAaJRIg63kM

 

Don't trust their reviews too much. They recently did a flip-flop in their review between the M5 and the Vauxhall VXR8. Pretty ridiculous of them.

 

you are right but Ferrari lose sound and in consequence lose some part of greatness

 

Cars with turbo charged sound better when rev hard, but vacuum cleaner will kick in when moving on higher rpm.
Btw, Ferrari in Singapore is so so so so expensive. A 458 Italia will cost like an Enzo Ferrari in US. Then the roads are heavily jammed, with traffic lights every few hundred meters. Should drive to Malaysia (Sepang circuit) very often.

 

100% agree, I felt the same.
But the M5 F10 still has a better deal for the technology and a better torque!
But... My choose would be the M5 E60
M5 E60 - V10 NA
M5 F10 - V8 TT
And now have a look at the M4...
Green economy seems to be an excuse imo.


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The roads here aren't bad compared to many other cities. Just need to know when to drive. Heading to Malaysia is a must and Sepang is definitely on the cards. Their highway is great for hitting crazy speeds as well

 

I think we have to drive the California T to really decide, but my gut strongly tells me that Ferraris should be N/A (yes I know about the 288 GTO / F40 obviously)... I just love the high revs.

Though Porsche and even Nissan are getting serious acceleration numbers due partly to turbos (& AWD), so Ferrari may feel they have to compete by adding turbos simply so they don't fall behind in the magazine tests. I personally understand this, but hope they don't go the turbo route.

 

There are a lot of opinions and claims out on a car for which the production-spec exhaust tuning isn't out yet....

Let's wait until we get some actual video of a production car and some driving impressions on the forum, before some of us begin doomsday prepping.

And if you end up disliking the sound of the new car (Cali T) - the used market is plentiful!

 

Yes, it is critical that we get an objective test of the California T from a disinterested party, preferably a trusted auto journalist (yes there are a couple). Until then I am skeptical about the response and high speed sound of any TT Ferrari, not to mention the heat soaking that bedevils all TT cars in real world driving.

 

I would much rather see a move to a N/A V10 than a TT V8.

I prefer Ferrari to Lamborghini and wanted to get the 458's successor. But if it's TT then I will at least test drive the Hurucan, whereas I wouldn't even consider it if the 458's replacement is N/A.

 

It is fascinating to me to read the Ferrari passion for audio art. To me, form (and sound) follows function and I embrace the sounds of performance. The whine of straight cut gears, the squeal of racing brakes at paddock speeds, the whooshes of forced induction, the crash of heim jointed suspension and the general racket made by a light and non-sound-insulated car.

For example, I want to say Wolfgang Ullrich of Audi commented that the lack of noise from the the Audi Le Mans cars was a badge of unwasted power and music to his ears as a result.

I suspect it falls on (Ferrari-deafened) ears, but perhaps the sound of performance can change and we should embrace it. I love all things mechanical and enjoy the understanding of the why of sound, rather than complain about the change that is inevitable as technology advances.

Why would you want the slower, but sonically (and subjectively) more beautiful car. Art has changed over time and it is all beautiful. If you love the 458 sound,then keep it. But why fear change and progress?

 

With a larger, high revving N/A engine you can have it all, except fuel economy. That is why people don't want turbocharging which corrupts responsiveness, linearity and sound.