Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Thanks for the video.

Didn't look at it yet. Since you posted it:

I noticed, people love to compare the 959 to the 918. And some of the more mindless Internet forums chaps like to do so as a negative.

Though they do have some obvious similarities (technology exercises, making statements, introducing new technologies/showing the future), they're also different vehicles. The 959 was essentially a highly re-worked 911 with loads of power, thus it had to deal with the inherent 911 structure (car height, rear engine, chassis, track width and length, etc.). And it was a turbo. So it was a super, other worldly performing Ubet GT-like car, based off an existing vehicle.

The 918 on the other hand is a purpose built vehicle from scratch/white paper, so it incorporates and answers various conflicting goals (speed, handling, acceleration, weight, rear bias, Center Of Gravity, excitement, sound, build quality, luxury, economy, etc.) in a better way than the 959 did.

The 918 may very well be the best accelerating (we'll see up to what speed), best handling, and best sounding (combination of the V8 right behind your ears, and the sensations of the futuristic whines of the electrical engine) of the three new Hyperbrids. Yes, we know the LaFe sounds great, and the others handle well. But the 918 is no slouch in those arena's either. Only trying to illustrate how the 918 stacks up vs the select competition, compared to the 959 and F40 of the time as a track, dynamic performer.

The 959 was slanted more toward Group B homologation, if I remember correctly. I think one even placed first in the Paris to Dakar (Senegal) race? That's impressive (even if the race had lost some of it's luster). The 918 is a street car, that can be raced very well on a track (i.e., excellent characteristics). It's much lower, and deals with it's center of gravity, internal packaging very well, thus is a better handler, more dynamic from "getty up", comparatively speaking.

The 959 has proven to introduce current technologies, have great impact on performance cars of the future. That can't be denied. It was mentioned numerous times in the video. That's something it clearly has over the F40. We'll see what the 918's impact and effects will be? Time will tell.

So yes! They're simultaneously similar, while different. And [of course they're both] great cars!

Nice video (yes I did watch it).

 

I don't think that it stands a chance against the LaFerrari in terms of acceleration and sound.

 

Yeah, kinda like what many here said about the P1. "Okay".

We will see my friend, especially when the LaFe's are actually thoroughly tested (i.e. instrumented).

PS: 918 does sound very nice. Let's not act like it sounds like a muffled, 5500 rpm turbo or something.

Yes, the LaFe sounds great. No argument there. However, some may prefer the 918's combination of 9200 rpm ICE-Race bred engine; position of it's tail pipes; top off motoring, with simultaneous electrical whines of it's drive train in it's cabin. To each his own.

I was only trying to illustrate: Despite it's technology, the 918 is more a traditional track inspired Hypercar in it's characteristics, sensations and dynamics than the [albeit] great performing, legendary, revolutionary 959 was at it's time. The video appeared to echo those sentiments.

 

Well said! Great post!

 

Great video, Porsche should not be underestimated.

 

I wished they were able to do the reviews at the same place. However, I am glad to see that their performance findings seem to be spot on like the test they did with the P1 where the numbers matched what the manufacture said. Except for the P1 being two tenths faster of course. 1 more to go!

 

Interesting data from Ferrari shares in evo's review of the car.

And also, take note McLaren fanboys

 

Holy does this thing stay tight on the tarmac.

 

Hate to burst the bubble some more: The P1 test was only a drive by.

It was not a fully instrumented test, taking into account wind, surface, etc, with multiple runs, different test, mind you track performance. It was quite sparse. And Motor Trend said as much.

If it were, it may have performed similarly to the Auto car test, which was a full regimen test, and the P1 was behind it's manufacturer claims. Who knows?

We'll see, if/when MT does a 918 test on the P1, or when the 918 Autocar testing are completed and released?

 

Thanks Friend!

 

I guess motor trend lied when they said it was the quickest car in the 1/4 mile they ever tested. And they should have never used those charts comparing the 918 times to the p1s since those numbers don't count.

 

As far as I understood, they only meant the 0-60 mph time was the quickest ever tested.

 

Oh, now you're back on the Motor Trend P1, 918 test again. SMH

My response: Hooray/That's great!

MT also said the 918 was their quickest in 0-60, figure 8, Willow Springs, etc, and it was very close to those P1 numbers right up to 160 mph where they stopped recording (2/10ths of a second, enough to have surface, atmosphere, wind, etc., to have an impact, if the P1 wasn't aided by a tailwind to begin with).

However, there's an asterisk as you know. Motor Trend's P1 exercise wasn't a proper test (mind you, on a different track, country, continent, etc., lol). Face it! The 918's was a REAL test. Has it really come to this?

Fully instrumented, properly recorded, full regimen testing, have a way of exposing or making cars numbers come down from more scurrilous testing procedures, and/or optimistic manufacturer claims. Different locales and tracks will change times one way or the other. Happens all the time. You should know this.

When the P1's placed through a full regimen, or is properly with full instrumentation, and it matches or exceeds it's manufacturer's claims on the regular, then you can crow like a Magpie and bellow like a Beast. Until then??.........

That would be like someone quoting/hanging onto the Car And Driver 918 drag strip test, when C & D clearly stated is was a quick run, with out much testing or instrumentation (even though it boded well for the 918). You don't see anyone talking about that. We'll wait for their upcoming REAL test.

Now, let's talk about the P1's Autocar test results, which was a proper test. How did it accelerate there, since you're focusing so much on acceleration........? "Ahem". Still there??....................

Let's also see if McLaren will allow anyone else to extensively test their production spec vehicle, as Autocar recently did in the future? Sports Auto anyone? Why not Motor Trend (since you like to quote them so much)??

The juries still out on the P1's proper testing in comparison to it's manufacturer claims after the Autocar results.

Think that's a bit unfair. Remember, it was neither Ferrari or Porsche that repeatedly and loudly stated, their cars would essentially break all known records, conquer all mankind, and leave the competition cowering in shame and fear, afraid to come out and play. McLaren (it's minions), and Ron Dennis bascially did that, regarding the P1.

We will see?

 

0-60mph you can enjoy anyday, anywhere. Personal roller coaster.

100mph+ is less safe and usually illegal.

 

P1 for sale in Holland

2014 McLaren P1, Elsloo Netherlands - JamesEdition

...and another

http://www.jamesedition.com/cars/mclaren/p1/stock-unregistered-for-sale-795485

 

Reasonably priced too.

 

It's funny many still hold the 0-60 test as as the ultimate benchmark when a lot of cars now Including the Nissan GTR which I admire a lot cost a friction of the others with a sub 3sec 0-60.

Make no mistakes the 918 is fast but not faster than the P1 plain and simple.

I believe the Laferrari and the P1 will fight for this.

We'll know soon when I drive the Laferrari.

Few days ago I heard personally Bugatti coming soon with something faster from anything out there.

So enjoy what you bought or ordered but leave the useless propaganda.

There will be always something faster.

Mbn

 

Have an interesting tidbit
Max g on track for p1 was an awesome 1.22
918 hit 1.6 something with sport auto
Anyone know la Ferrari max g on track?

 

If it's another Veyron no one will pay attention. That car is old, it's time they make something new.

 

In the LF official website, they claim "The levels of performance meant that Ferrari has gone for a very specific tyres et-up, with 265/30 R 19 Pirelli P-Zeros on the front and 345/20 R 20s on the rear. Thanks to the integration of the dynamic control systems, the active aerodynamics and mechanical set-up, the response time to steering wheel inputs when turning into a corner is 30 per cent faster and lateral acceleration in corners increases by 20 per cent." The Enzo is mentioned in the same web-page, therefore I assume they are using it as reference. Do you have g figures for the Enzo?

Also, do you know if the 1.6 g was instantaneous or sustained?

Cheers

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWmi7_LrjYY[/ame]


New Autocar review of the P1.

 

How do I post a Youtube video? None of the usual tags are working...

 

Change https:// to http:// and then just post the link. Fchat software will embed the video automatically:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWmi7_LrjYY]McLaren P1: official Autocar road test - YouTube[/ame]

 

Grazie!


I wonder why it's so difficult to do things in F-Chat that are so easy in other forums? Even little things like a quick link to check in on threads that you previously participated in are missing. (Although available through Tappa Talk)

 

that is not a usable comparison since conditions and surfaca were, literally, continents apart.
I don't know for Ferrari, but Koenigsegg claims 2G on street legal tires for the One. I remain sceptical, we'll see if it's ever properly tested by one of the bigger magazines.