Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Lol an A45 AMG sounds better than your €1M P1.

 

I cannot watch to Autocar (Steve actually) reviewing P1 anymore. Sooo chringworthy...the way he compared it to 918 and called it another universe and still keeping on despite numbers not adding up to his favore, its embarassing.

 

Even though I'm normally a fan of Sutcliffe, I agree his P1 videoes have been a poor journalistic performance. This latest video was 12 minutes of bla-bla-bla...

 

With all due respect sir, if you were responding to my post, I implied 100mph+ is LaF and P1's forte.

0-60 mph, Porsche set a New benchmark. Not saying 0-60 or 0-100km/h is the ultimate test for speed. But it is quicker than the P1 or Veyron and LaF in that specific regard. That instant slam you back to the seat feel.

The general consensus is that LaF and P1 are going to duke it out. And the P1 feels subjectively superfast. Maybe Laf has better numbers.

Having crashed at 120+mph over a decade ago, I avoid those speeds.

Not saying it can't be done safely.

Today acceleration figures for these 3 cars are usually 0-60, 0-124 etc.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to talk more about your P1 vs Veyron etc...

A faster Veyron would be one with E motor...?

 

Amidst all the discussion here, I would like to throw in a quote from Dario Franchitti's latest column in evo:

 

But you're one of the most blatant anti-mclaren people here...
You should take some of that advice you quoted.

 

"then you can crow like a Magpie and bellow like a Beast." LMBO!!

 

So, after I finished watching the new vid, I made my way over to this thread expecting something negative to come up regarding the new video. I had no Idea what you guys could have picked on from the video but sure enough, I was wrong. I am going to save both responses and will definitely re-post if and when they redo their Laferrari test. Totally amazing.

 

Freaking insane!

 

Really? Show me my "anti-mclaren" posts my friend!

Big difference between being critical of the fanboys and the marque. Always said I'm respectful and admire what they (McLaren) have achieved.

 

A simple yes or no would have been better. I didn't bother to read your lecture, but I'm sure you're saying that motor trends numbers mean nothing.
Yes or no?

 

So whats exactly new in this video that I should be talking about instead of his fanboy drivel? Seriously, we saw the numbers (0-60mph, 0-400m 10.2 sec etc) there is nothing new to this video and he is still going on with unscientific "fastest thing I've drove by country mile". Why? Its pure drivel when he knows very well that the car he described "feels merely very fast indeed" is faster on 0-100 kmh, on 300kmh and very well could be faster in quarter mile. He wrote this two months ago for ****s sake...

5g, "merely fast indeed", "another solar system" etc. And then scientific results after many tests come and who would guess, they are so close that wind makes and day time makes more difference then their power/weight. That close.

Now...P1 certainly CAN give faster FEELING, but it AINT faster and its stupid to say its another solar system from 918 when its not, and he knows it. Thats why I will call him on this kind of videos, thats why I didn't like LaF video either. Too much "uhh ohh" not enough concrete numbers and it gives readers/viewers wrong message. You would think 918 is total dud in comparison, completely not worth being one.

 

My take is the motor trend test of the p1 was only one run , one way , with no mention of tailwind , fuel load etc and is not as complete or accurate as other tests and the full motor trend test scheduled for later in the year.

 

Firstly, the main point of the video is to do the road portion and cover the drivability of the car. The first was at McLaren chosen location and their conditions. In this test, they had enough time to really judge the car. When they did they realized that it is probably the best car they ever tested. Second, the main propose for this car is to be the best drivers car ever. With that said, EVERYONE is saying that the McLaren is probably the best drivers car. As far as being the fastest between Porsche and McLaren, even Porsche said it will be at least a staggering 1 sec shower than the McLaren at dunsfold. I honestly think it grypes you to see the Mac do so well. That's my humble opinion. Like I said. Pretty sure if and when they do the Lafferari again, your opinion will be different.

 

Porsche said no such thing , a nameless guy on a forum did .
Nothing's so cut and dry . People want different things.
I was on the list for both and after experiencing them ended up buying a 918 and a couple of older ferraris for example

 

Everyone? In UK?
But probably not.
Mclaren is certainly the best in arrogance and boasting. It's the same thing for road cars than in Formula One.
LaF is hotter and more desirable and 918 is more serious and better engineered.

 

No, what irks me is following:

A)SS Reviews 918----> B)SS Reviews P1 ----> C)SS Says P1 is "whole other solar system" (his words) and that 918 is "merely a fast car in comparison", mentions 5g, F1 cars only being faster and other bull ----> D) SCIENTIFICALLY (i.e putting it through test several times and timing it) tests it ----> E) Gets great results albeit not any better then 918 and certainly not "another solar system" better ----> F) Still proceeds fanboy drivel about it being "fastest bestest and incomparable" even though numbers say otherwise.

So...what part of my "irks" don't you understand?

 

If you want to make claims like these, you need to show us a source backing your statements.

Who is "everyone" saying the P1 is the best drivers car? None of the major publications have dropped the ball on this so far. The only thing that has been universally highlighted is the P1 brake feel which is slightly better than LaF, due to the P1's lack of regen.

When did P say they would be >1 sec slower around the TG test track?

 

Porsche said nothing of the sort , it's a guy in another forum .

 

That sounds fair. I agree with that.

 

Then why repeatedly bring it up and crow about it in the first place??

It makes you lack credibility, and taking you seriously.

 

Because it's what he does. That's all he does.

 

SS's overenthusiasm and lack of common sense had been noted (the 5g quote was simply ridiculous). Now that standard/instrumented tests for P1 and 918 have commenced using actual customer cars, his previous 'opinion', his 'first drive' reviews themselves are now subject to reviews. The same will happen for the others. Sport Auto's test results for 918 confirms that it is as fast or faster than what Porsche claimed (never a doubt they would live up to their marketing tact of 'under- promise and over-deliver') and confirms what WTDOOM and I stated many moons ago...that SS, CH, and some other blokes, were flat out WRONG in stating that P1 is much faster than 918 and "on another solar system" etc. Doom based his 'opinion' off of his own butt dyno having driven both P1 and 918. I based my 'opinion' on non-public information from Porsche themselves. Doom and I had posited that the 918 'style' and method of power delivery was a bit misleading as to how fast it really is, which is essentially what you're saying with reference to subjective "feeling" (both for 918 and cars in general). The data for the 918 was harshly panned as nothing more than 'speculation' but I had stated all along that the data would be independently measurable/verifiable with appropriate +/- given variable's such as weather, etc.

As for this first instrumented test for P1, the numbers were pretty much what I expected (as were the fanboy kneejerk 'reasons' why it didn't go faster), but SS looking like a bobble-head doll was shocking...the track being bumpy like that made the car look out of sorts. And the whole British flag waving comment at the end? Meh.

 

+1

 

918 looks more impressive by the day. Few tenths of the p1 over a quarter mile despite the 200kgs weight deficit? Very impressive! Has Porsche claimed any downforce figures yet?