Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The F1 was better. It's the opinion of many gearheads, journalists, collectors and myself (whose opinion I happen to value the most). At a given price, a Toyota Camry, Ford F-150, Cinquecento is a better car.

Your preference of "royalty" to "challenger's arrogance and snobbery" is pretty amusing. Usually those terms describe the other guy.

You're right, companies like SSC do not have cachet. However, McLaren does.

 

If you keep repeating it, maybe one day it will come true. :0)

 

Or not.

 

F40, F1 and 959 are iconic cars and saying one is ultimately better then the other is, again, ignorant at best. Very different cars for very different clientele.

F40 was pure drivers car, very flamboyant, with tons of character and speed (and LOOKS) to match. Ferrari produced more then thousand of these and sold them with ease. Total success and one of three best supercars ever produced. My favorite btw.

F1 was total Formula 1 project started when Mclaren team was at its best and Gordon Murray was given free hands to make his childhood dream reality. BMWs motor was thing of beauty, and seat in the middle gave feeling of racing car like no other. Phenomenal car, but...

959 was no less of a super car. In fact, it was more advanced and technologically packed then either of these cars at their respective times. Who ever says different is rewriting history. It gave footprint for pretty much every road car produced since then till now, and it wasn't in any way slower or inferior to F40, and so like 959 and Carrera GT it has to be asked. Why do people underestimate Porsche so much?

Ferrari is only company in the world that can pretty much pick and choose who they are going to sell their million dollar cars to. McLaren can't and Porsche can't. But these two have different strategies. With P1 McL want's to make best race car in the world, with 918 Porsche wants to make car for the future (thats also every bit as good on race track).

Just look at how little that car consumes and then look at what kind of performance it brings to the table. Look at 4WD, 4WS and just oh just look at that 4.6 litre V8 that produces whopping 608 bhp! Its technical tour de force, it was always made to be that in the end. It was always made to be as good as the other two (just look at 959 and CGT), no reason going back to the drawing board, that was their plan from the start.

Only one playing catch up at this game is McL and little bit of humbleness from them and their faitfull would go a long way...

 

Ginge '82, you think McLaren will have difficult time to sell their next hypercar after P1?

And you think maybe they will have difficult time to sell P15 (F12 segmento)?

You think P1 was sales disaster?

You think McLaren is desperate company?

I know somebody who think like this. He is ignorant. Not you. You are not afraid that McLaren is rolling momentum with all new future products, like P13, P15, and I think you believe Ferrari have no worrys about future McLarens because Ferrari make for always and always the best cars for this segment. Impossible that McLaren can make Ferrari nervous, yes?

You remind me of Emperor Commodus.

 

With a red LaF and a silver 918 in the garage you have the best of the best of today automotive art and techno, including emotion, history, tradition and royalty.
Mclaren will have some difficulty in finding its place and they know that at Woking.

 

Sit down Alex. You speak for nobody except youself and that is not saying much.

 

Eccolo qua.
E tu per chi parli?
Sei vuoi dialogare con me, abassi i tuoni.

 

That idea of being 'duped', that's what is interesting. It's really simple. Non-fans and Anti-Porschists fixated on early figures such as '780hp' and 3700lbs, even though Porsche never ever said the end product would be as such. Those numbers were/are used to reaffirm their distaste for 918, and the belief that P1/LaF would simply blow it out of the water. ie, "we really thought it was going to be fat and slow because you told us it would only have marginal power, etc". So now that 918 is a fully developed product (as much as technically possible) and it isn't quite as 'slow' or less accomplished as these 'haters' had anticipated, the talking point now is about Porsche having had to 're-develop' the car (allegedly) and them looking over their shoulders as competitors were rolling out their finished products? Utterly pointless. Silly silly.

 

Well I think that sums this thread up

 

No no. He's talking about the F1 being the sales disaster. It took some time and separation from initial release before the market would crown it as 'king'. The "uncompromising supercar" and the hugely valuable "collector item" did NOT exist at the same time in the early days. As far as "desperate", he's referring to Mac fans/Porsche haters that are really reaching to find negatives for what they hate, or positives for things they love.

 

Amen.

Just catching up on the sh*t show, I mean thread.

 

Sorry man) anyway not over million. Dauer was more expensive

 

Let me add something that most people (including media) don't realize.

VW doesn't own Porsche, or control it....Nope.

Porsche still controls VW.

How/Why?

When Porsche wasn't in the financial position to merge/take over VW (what ever you want to call the union) years ago, afraid of law suits, due to alleged market manipulations, they split the company in two to protect/insulate themselves.

One part of the company was the manufacturing company. That's the one that merged with VW, that every knows/talks about (and haters reveled in). However, Porsche has a holding company called Porsche Holding company SE (if I remember the name correctly). It's that holding company that has a MAJORITY STAKE AND VOTING SHARES IN VW. They control it.

Porsche SE holding company, in turn is controlled by members of the Porsche and Piech Families. Porsche once sold a 25% stake to the Government of Quatar. But if I remember correctly, they bought it back. I'm almost sure of it.

Now Keep in mind, even if the state of Lower Saxony in Germany, still maintains 21% of VW, that has nothing to do with the Porsche SE Holding company controlled by members of the Porsche and Piech clan. The Holding company still controls VW. And even though we all hear about VW's financial's. Very few of us hear about the holding companies financials. But when you do, it's all about them controlling VW, and there other entities.

This is why Porsche is still in charge of Sports Cars, Sports Car Chassis, Sports car engines, Sports Sedans, Hybrid Technology, and can enter Lemans to protect their record win total, etc., in the VW group. They're ultimately still in control of their own destiny (via the holding company and reasons for it's creations). However, this is rarely publicized, except in the business section when discussing the Holding Groups financial's. There you can see it. It's clear and a fact.

So those of you that said it, are correct: 'McLaren is in no where near the financial position of Porsche'. They're still golden in the VW Group, and their holding company which split from the manufacturing group (to protect themselves from lawsuits), controls VW. And the Porsche and Piech family control the holding company. Fact!!!!!!!!!!!!

That should get the McLaren fan boys panties tied, if they even understood that.

 

Guys, you compare these cars like boys from youtube compare deep purple vs led zeppelin vs black sabbath. Actually, no sense. Matter of taste.

 

Please don't teach the uninitiated.

 

Dauer was a separate company; their 962 road car was not a Porsche effort. Koenig Specials made one too, as did a couple of other companies. They're all irrelevant as race car chassis converted for street use.

>8^)
ER

 

Mostly concerned with why you are fixated on boys wearing panties. Probably something you should avoid broadcasting on a public forum. How embarassing...

For the record, I don't own any.

>8^)
ER

 

OK.

I get it.

Just admit you couldn't understand, follow the breakdown.

SMH

 

But it was purchased cause it was a PORSCHE, not cause it had Dauer's name (though his was arguable the best of the bunch) on it. People just wanted a PORSCHE 962.

Are you that Daft? The 962 was a legendary LeMans winning vehicle. People would take one anyway they could get it.

You think someone would have purchased a DAUER Peloton25 vehicle????????????

Porsche has a rich history of privateer race teams, as well as having buyers purchase factory race efforts, or firms re-badging their race efforts they desired for purchase. And of course there's homologation. This (and more) is what was trying to be explained to you.

Porsche is in deep with this super car, race car thingee and purchasers. And they have been for a long time.

McLaren fan boys, could actually learn a thing or two from them, instead of displaying such ignorance, naivety and arrogance.

SMH

 

I really don't care about the things that you post and look forward to the day you get bored trolling this thread and crawl back into the hole you came from.

53 posts on FerrariChat in less than a month - every single one of them in this thread. Probably half of them directed at me. Things that make you go, hmmm....

>8^)
ER


Edit: 54...

 

Cant link I'm on the phone but one user on germancarforums.com said McL canceled TopGear showdown with 918 that was supposed to happen next month.

Edit.
Do you know anything about it pelton?

 

So this is what you do/say when your stumped?

I rarely write directly to you (cause I feel I already know the answer coming, so why bother).

Once again, it's all about YOU instead of the cars, I see?

Let it go (and of your ego/self).

I couldn't care less who I talk to here. It's all fun, car talk. Unfortunately, most of what you say, appears to make the least sense out of so many posters. You need to own up to that. Just look at the amount of people who have disagreed with you in the past hour. I don't like to personalize things, cause it detracts from the thread and peoples enjoyment. So I will stop here directly responding to you/this in such a manner.

I tell you, your insecurity and myopic self absorption is eyebrow raising to say the least. God bless you!

 

I didn't care to read what you wrote, so I am definitely not "stumped".

I'm simply honored that you would care to direct so much of your attention towards me.

I don't think anyone would rate it a better love story that Twilight though.

TTFN

>8^)
ER



PS: You take this internet thing far too seriously.

 

The Bottom Line: People purchased the vehicle (especially for such money), cause it was a Porsche 962; not because it was a DAUER, PELTON25, CAR MAVEN, etc., 962. That's the take away.

Remember, this is/was supposed to be about cars? Or have you forgotten that?

It's never personal or serious. Stop being a drama queen, seeking more attention, and move on.

Come on now. You can do it.

The End.