Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Have you any interesting new information to give us?

 

BTW, that record also belongs to Ferrari.

 

Things change faster than you think...
Thanks for correction.

 

Their revenue last year was over $3b. Given that and their history, it would be ridiculous to call them a small company.

 

Well well well.

Look who's joined yet another forum to spread his Mclaren joy.

OFFICIAL - Porsche 918 Spyder | Page 24 | German Car Forum

How many does that make now Pickmeron25? I'm sure you have nothing but honourable intentions :0)

 

Ginge, your control freakishness and paranoic attitudes are surfacing again...relax, it's all going to be ok. Show him you're the bigger man by bottling up those feelings.

 

In the grand scheme of car manufacturers, that is pocket change... What counts though is production numbers, not turnover. Of course they have a very healthy turnover, charging what they do for each car. Producing just 7000 cars a year though makes you a small, dedicated manufacturer.

 

What counts is EVERYTHING that company does to generate revenue, like all companies.

With that in mind a $3b annual revenue isn't exactly the financials of a small company.

 

Owen mildenhall , auto express auto express review .
I like Owen , proper driver / racer

Summary :
Verdict

5 stars
A masterpiece of engineering, the Porsche 918 Spyder rewrites the hypercar rulebook. It seamlessly blends cutting-edge hybrid technology with focused motorsport engineering to create a road car that delivers an incredible blend of performance and efficiency. Not intimidating to drive yet spectacularly special to experience whichever mode you drive in, the 918 has the looks, performance and wow factor every great hypercar needs.


Read more: Porsche 918 Spyder review | Auto Express

 

Well said; so true (what you wrote).

I only started posting, cause I couldn't believe some of the stuff that I was reading (many of it blatantly untrue, unproven and/or highly speculative propaganda). It was like religious cult. Otherwise, I would have remained silent. Every ones entitled to an opinion. But man! SMH/ Lol.

Beyond that, I quite enjoyed reading Ferrari Chat, cause I feel you get the most information, diverse opinion, and perspective on all three cars, more so than any other site (at least in my opinion).

They're all great cars in one way or the other. I don't dislike any one of them on General Principle. However, some people spoil the fun, especially with their ridiculous belittlement of others who disagree/question them (or their car), as you mentioned, even when they don't have a shred of credible evidence to support their position and assertions. Where's the humility and humor, if you're going to be so wrong or speculative? Lol

This, along with their apparent lack of historical perspective and analysis, in addition to their refusal to accept the truth, compromise, or give an inch. And no, I'm not necessarily speaking about one person (for the guilty feeling among us). This can be any of us. But sadly it wasn't.

Lastly, someone asked to link that thread, cause they couldn't. So I did. Yeah, I had some fun (with other peoples quotes). However, I still gave McLaren the Gentlemen's benefit of the doubt (until proven otherwise, as the date draws near). Or was that missed?

Nonetheless, thanks for the well written follow up.

 

Owens weissach pack review

Verdict
5 stars
The Porsche 918 Spyder rewrites the supercar rulebook with its incredible performance and grip, and ability to glide silently in EV mode. It’s a technical masterpiece that delivers an awe-inspiring driving experience. The faster and lighter Weissach Package model is the ultimate 918, but you’d never be disappointed with the standard car.


Read more: Porsche 918 Spyder Weissach Package review | Auto Express

 

Thanks Doom.

In fairness, he didn't say or provide much (in terms of length of article, stats or driving experiences/road types).

Not that he had to of course. We'll take what we can get as readers, and get his point. He thinks it's great, and "rewrites the supercar rulebook with its incredible performance and grip, and ability to glide silently in EV mode!". Yeah. We get it.

Nonetheless, is a longer review coming? Or maybe I missed something, such as a link to a chart, etc.?

Thanks again.

 

Hey Doom I've already asked Pelton about this but didn't get an answer, have you heard something about McL canceling TG duel next month? One guy on germancarforum said he got that info from good source and that there will be no P1 vs 918 on TG.

 

I just thought it may be interesting . Owens a good driver .
Autocar full test coming soon.

I know they (mclaren) cancelled the original test ( the 918 was at Porsche Zentrum reading waiting ) but I haven't heard anything about this cancellation . They did say they "weren't interested in direct comparisons as that wasn't a true representation of what our car can do . It's a lot more than that". I can look into it though .

Last time I was at the Porsche factory ( couple of weeks ago ) they were calling Jeremy "Jennifer" ...

Regarding the top geart lap ,
The couple of mac guys I talked to were v serious , the Porsche guys found it amusing and I couldn't get them to bite even when I said the p1 was developed there and asked of they were worried . They just laughed and said "you should see our new calculations for the ring"and were not impressed with the top gear track . Winter tyres are being developed as well as track orientated ones that don't take noise and rolling resistance into consideration.

 

Wow (on your bottom paragraph)!!

Will those tires still be street legal (I'm assuming they will be)? The "track focused" ones of course.

Sounds like Porsche's not playing. Hopefully, MLaren will be there (when the 918 is of course)?

PS: I always felt that Porsche wasn't concerned about a "smooth track" or the aero of the P1. I think the combination of the Porsche's mechanical grip/Low COG, it's 4WD, 4WS and torque, along with it's own impressive aero, would make it extremely formidable on any type track.

 

Absolutely , a cup tyre without the noise and rolling resistance concerns . So a real cup tyre . Will be a weapon.
Personally I'm more looking forward to the winters ! Be so funny

 

The thing is they shouldn't even be close . Ones an all round super sports car , a spyder , with a burmeister stereo , internet , apps , etc etc and ones the ultimate track car .
It's typical Porsche overachievement .

 

Geesh!

Were those new Ring calculations with the standard tires or the new Cup ones (god forbid if it was with the standard tires)?

 

Or, Engineering, Sports/Road Car Excellence and Commitment (Your "It's typical Porsche over achievement" statement)!!??

Gotcha though.

One this is for certain.... If this is true (and I don't know if it is), and McLaren doesn't show up a second time, we know they have stuff/something to hide or be fearful of?

It won't matter if they test great or better than the 918 on another day, if they had two opportunities to test directly against it, and refused.

Remember this is coming on the heels of Sutcliffe stating Autocar will have no more P1's to test (though you can't always take what SS as the Gospel) after their most recent instrumented, and some would say, disappointing high speed acceleration results.

We'll see?

 

Standard tyres since optimisation .

I think they will have to turn up . If they don't it will look awful .
I think they'll turn up , big advantage for the p1 that place .

Look how close 458 and 12c times are everywhere in the world , yet how much faster was the 12 c than the 458 on tg , (remember the cars are part developed there )3/4 seconds I believe .

Edited to add :
Steve sutcliffe is actually a pretty good reporter ( and driver ) he just gets excited . His comments were very strange indeed . I can't explain them.

 

@Doom

The P1 should have an advantage at TG track indeed, from a sheer development perspective. Yes.

Whether this eventually proves true, and whether they actually show up or not (if any of this Internet speculation is remotely true, after their first known no show), remains to be seen?

On SS: Yes, he normally is a good writer.

My only guess is overzealous British Pride, and/or McLaren somehow reaching out to him??

I mean just look at how Evo and Chris Harris were speaking with out any shred of credible evidence to back up their claims. It's almost if, they were trying to frame the arguments and set the performance dynamics and numerics off of sheer words. In retrospect, YOU actually have a better "Butt-O-Meter" than those guys. Auto car's own instrumented test (and the 918's for that matter), kinda put to rest, and blue those crazy/lazy notions out the water.

Weird indeed!

 

LOL

Thumbs up.

 

What did Sutcliffe say?

 

I don't remember the exact quote (though I know someone will). But he said something to the effect, 'the 918 and P1 are not in the same universe as far as speed and acceleration. The P1 is in a different league', etc.. Yes, he said something like that.

He also added such goodies as; 'the P1 can corner at 5G's'. 'It's motor sounds better than the 918'. 'It makes sparks at night (though the 918 does the same thing)'. And it's a 'great road car', if I remember correctly. I'm sure there were more.

Of course, some of the things he said above were more egregious than others. However, it's the speed/acceleration comments--compared to the 918--, along with the 5G cornering outright (he even said it corners like/better than an F1 or Race car) that really caught peoples attention, furor and common sense. It was really weird.

 

where is Chris Berman when you need him?

Anyway the LaFerrari 198003 was around in early November 2013 so built in September of that year? Ferrari also used 194527 and 194925 for early display cars in 2013. Not sure if any of those models could be sold at a later date though.