Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

How much less are these post-production Enzo's worth? How does a buyer tell them apart from a production Enzo? Do they include the "399 Limited Production plaque?

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Word to word translation of a French proverb used to highlight irrelevant questions.
A relevant one is: is it true Mclaren has refused direct confrontation with Porsche? And why?
Is this info secret as the Nurburgring Lap Time is?
You are a car lover and we are sure you prefer technical discussions to marketing ones.
Who cares about limited plaques apart mechants?

 

I cannot speak on the value, but I believe Joe Sackey said in a post in a thread somewhere that the post-production cars do indeed carry the 399 plaque, which is a bit weird.

I'd like to see some clear examples of that the post-production cars have decreased the overall model value. Most people are not even aware of the post-production. Since you refer to yourself a qualified expert, would you mind elaborating on how many Enzo's have you sold/negotiated or transactions you have in-depth knowledge of?

 

If you don't get all of them together to count, can you really prove how many there are?

The only way value is effected is by how many are available for resale. Im inclined to believe the number of cars for sale today isn't much higher even with extra cars. I don't see manly listed at least.

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Yes, those who track serial numbers can simply compile a list a count that.

Yes, in fact the laws of Supply and Demand will indeed be affected by more supply. This is Econ 101 stuff.

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If only a few percent of cars are for sale at any given time, the difference in supply will be negligible. 5 vs 6, 10 vs 12, 20 vs 24. I think production is high enough to equalize value for the most part, not to mention cars can differ in condition drastically.

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Does some one actually have a complete list yet with photo proof of each? I suppose the vins legally can't lie, assuming they are nicely in order.

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I don't see what the problem is. Another example of under promising and over achieving!

 

Oh no - Igor's got jokes!!

And yes, lists of the serial numbers for Enzo's do exist in the hands of a number of people and Ferrari have "over-achieved" the stated production target by ~25%. Impossible to think that hasn't had an affect on the market.

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Guys do you relies we talking about 3 of three amazing cars here ?

I own a P1 and to me it's the craziest meanest machine I have driven, the moment you close the doors you know you inside something different the seats are tight the driving position is just perfect the steering wheel is so aqurite it reminded me of my 2002 modena (which I still owns) how its redifned the whole streeting wheels feels to me back in 2002.

The P1 really delivers more than I expected a street legal track car at it best.

But can I compare it to a porsche 918 I really can't I feel porsche more refined luxuries and yet fast around a track it's not a joke but i believe it's slower than both the P1 and the Laferrari, But it's a totally different car to me it's more of a Veyron with its luxury and comfortable driving and interior.

If im wrong and it's faster I'll be happy for any porsche owner that's my nature cars for me connect people even with different views.

For now I still see its between the Laferrari and the P1.

Mbn



Btw I do own a porsche (first owner) it's a 964 turbo with works power upgrade producing 355hp. And I'm planing to ship it to Porsche classic for a fully bodypiant work and some interior/engine repairs.

So I'm not taking any sides here I just at this times prefer Ferraris and McLarens.

Mbn

 

congrats on the P1! the machine is a monster, no doubt. what color is it? can you post pics? my fantasy spec is silver and carbon (just like the spec used to test at the Ring), (my fantasy LaF and 918 are also silver) and this P1 is also custom tuned to the max, with 1000hp, 9000rpm, full race engine and chassis components, 1300 kilo's kerb

 

you are right, the claims for new Ring lap time of -10 seconds was without consideration of new 'cup' tires (prior to association with cups). Fully optimized customer spec 918 + new tires = well sub 6:45? mind boggling thought. now I'm getting the full picture of what the data that I saw several months ago represents within development scheme of things (ie, Weissach car sub 2.4 to 60, sub 4.9 to 100, sub 9.9 in 1/4mile) easily within sight of recent MT's 2.4/5.1/10.0 respectively, for the standard car.

Per batteries...Ferrari claims that only repeated flat out lapping of Nardo would flatten the battery. Otherwise, E-juice (160hp) will be there 99.9% of the time, summoned via the loud pedal. As for 918, need to go back and read that MT issue, but my initial reaction was that car was in reduced charge when that fast lap was attempted and he ran out of juice. then he took a couple of recon laps and proceeded to timed laps. even then there is an optimum strategy during that lap to get the most, depending on track characteristics, etc.

 

Can you list all the cars you own? From what i read, you have :

Zonda F
964 Turbo 3.6
Mclaren P1
EB 110 (i think).

What else? Very impressive collection!

 

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I don't think so. 400 cars isn't much different than 500 cars. Too many to make them scarce, but not enough for the market to be flooded. In both cases, 400 or 500, not super rare as far as rare cars go. As I said, you're talking about a small percentage of small percentage. In other words, a very very small percentage.

I think the effect would be very minor and pretty impossible to prove given how people still focus on the condition and color so much. Mileage becomes less and less meaningful as time goes on. I think the biggest effect extra cars could have on prices is with respect to color if you had one of the less popular color. In other words, not red.

Does 10 vs 12 cars on the market at any given time really make much difference? I really think the price is much more determined by the condition, miles, and colors available at any given time. If there is only 1 black car for sale today, it probably isn't effected much by an extra 15 cars that are not for sale.

I'd say higher production merely means you have a better chance of a duplicate car pressuring prices, but not a guarantee of it happening.

 

Those two are house specials it seems

 

Mine a Supernova Silver just like my 12C.

Didn't have time to take some good HD pictures but at least here is a pic from the airport customs i took few weeks ago.

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Thanks... Honestly i'm not a fan of listing what I own or ordered I just feel it's not me anyway.

With total respect to who do.

But yes the cars you listed part of my collection.

Hope you understand my point.

And I believe my 964 Turbo came with a 3.3 engine not a 3.6 with upgraded turbos and intercooler and more extras producing 355hp.

I did test it back then against three 3.6 Turbos ( 360hp) and always been a car head either from a drag race or a roll on.

Not sure why and owners complained to Porsche I just guessed I had a strong engine by luck.

Mbn

 

P1 will join Gumball 3000 http://www.autogespot.com/movie:-amazing-movie-of-team-galags-mclaren-p1!

 

that's the spec I would have it!

 

Huh? Mbn has posted pictures of plenty of his cars in the past, including some of those IIRC.

 

Ignore these posts. There will always be one or two users who aren't up to date on who's who on a forum.

 

LaFerrari and P1 parked next to each other in Monaco:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug259dlc8ok]LaFerrari and McLaren P1 - Comparison Parked Together - YouTube[/ame]

 

Not B.S.

Mbn is one of the BOSSes here.
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BOSS or no BOSS, why he find it so difficult for spell correctly or make correct order for his words? Even I can observe he find english so difficult. How he make his money?