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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by 458dreamer, May 23, 2014.

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  1. Ferrari 360 CS

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    True to a point but its still going to be inherently difficult to make a 4wd car feel like a rwd car because there will always be some corruption of steering feel with the front wheels being driven.

    I do agree that there is still a lot of Gallardo in the new Lamborghini but maybe that's also a good thing to keep some continuity because lets face it Lamborghini doesn't exactly have a back catalogue of design language.
     
  2. Surfah

    Surfah F1 Rookie

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    I don't know. After 10 years and countless iterations of the gallardo I was hoping for something more dramatic. I think the huracan rear doesn't work with the rest of the car.
     
  3. clar

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    Lambos aren't my cup of tea, but if u are into numbers, they do come up tops when compared to equivalent Ferrari. Where I am, the seasoned track goers have confirmed that Gallardos are generally faster than the Italia around Sepang. We are talking about cars driven by very good and pro racers. Not that I care though. I din order a Ferrari for the numbers...
     
  4. Ferrari FXX

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    Don't want to open a can of worms here. But Lamborghinis are just poster cars. While Audi has refined them for the track, for the most part they are still cars for very wealthy people who want people to gawk and look at them.

    I was at an F dealer just yesterday spoke with my guy there for about an hour. We were talking about the 3 Aventadors in his garage the 458s successor the Hurancan & F12. He said Lambos are especially the Aventadors are full of old very old technology and electronics. He didn't bad mouth Lambo but just said the Huracan will do what all Lambos do. Be hot for the first year, then all the different incarnations with the same basic old tech. Lambo is no competition or threat to Ferrari. In fact he welcomes Lambo trade ins because they are easily flipped back to some wealthy young guy or first time exotic buyer who wants to get a Lambo to attract women or attention from people. That's exactly what they are made for.

    Ferrari really started upping their game with the 360. The FF, 458 and F12 are true master pieces and marvels on engineering. Expect Ferrari to improve on both models.

    The real threat to Ferrari tech wise is McLaren & Porsche.
     
  5. :Marc

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    The reviews do not sound so thrilling thus far, the connection to the road and steering feel don't sound like F Car material. Even if they raved about the car I would still never buy one. I didn't opt for a 12C at the time over my decision to buy the 458 there is no substitute for the prancing horse and the Visceral feel they deliver.
     
  6. ammoman

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    I bought the MP4-12C and promptly sold it. No comparison to the Ferrari 458.
    I liked the 12C but it's an 8 on a 10 scale and the 458 is a 10 on the 10 scale for the same money, almost.
    Lamborghini will never get 5 more cents from me for too many reasons to mention.
    Eric
     
  7. diSCUDsted

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    Your opinion I guess (unless you got hacked).

    But I couldn't disagree more!
     
  8. ammoman

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    +458

    But it is a matter of taste.
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  9. qwertstnbir

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    best thing about Huracan is sound of NA engine, I hope that Ferrari will work hard on exhaust of 458 replacment because sound of Mclaren 12C is not good enought for Ferrari
     
  10. synergy

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    Capristo will fix that! It's not Ferrari's fault, its the stupid USA sound / emission rules.
     
  11. qwertstnbir

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    Capristo is very good for NA engines, it's much more difficult with stupid turbine on exhaust pipe
     
  12. :Marc

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    Exactly as I drove the 12C in coupe and spyder several times (friend has owned both now has 650S), If I had to option I would own one as well but after a Ferrari 1st, Lambo well ..NEVER... LOL
     
  13. synergy

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    Does your friend like the 650S more than the spyder?

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  14. dustman

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    You don't think the Lambo will lose $80k in a year?
     
  15. REALZEUS

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    9 out of 10 times the Ferrari is the quicker car.
     
  16. Entropy

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    Just picking on your words ("4WD") vs. "AWD". The Ferrari 4RM in the FF is a combination of mechanicals/hydraulics/electronics and software that - to me - is a real breakthrough in selective power to the fronts without making the car (i.e. Quattro, Subaru) feel like it's part truck (I exaggerate to make the point, not to bash those cars)..

    I'd say that's partially true. What I really find amazing about the Ferraris we've owned is the SOFTWARE. The way the cars behave and adapt is amazing. I've driven all the recent Lambos, including the Super Trofeo. Very cool cars, brutal almost. However, refinement and adaptability....nah. The Huracan could make that jump, we'll see. Software doesn't make the car nimble, but it does allow a nimble car to be that way without killing the driver...(again, I exaggerate)
     
  17. noone1

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    chassisAventador old tech with complete cf chassis? Huh? Huracan old tech with brand new cf/aluminum hybrid chassis? Aventador design that makes a 458 or f12 disappear?

    I've yet to see a track that any Ferrari bested the aventador. Pretty impressive for very old tech. R8 gt was even just as quick as the 458 I think.

    Old tech in 2015 perhaps, but not when it came out 3 years ago.

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  18. noone1

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    Not a chance. More like 10-20k tops.

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    Well the 650 is a spyder anyway LOL but the last 12C he had was a spyder and he likes the aesthetic difference and the car is obviously faster and engineering better.
     
  20. dustman

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    I know a few dozen Mac owners who said the same thing... LoL.
     
  21. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Interesting you bring up the FF because oddly I don't think of that car as being an AWD car, in that sense that above certain speed ranges its only RWD. Looking at the Huracan it appears that the AWD system on the front wheels is fairly active most of the time. The argument I have here is does the Lamborghini actually need AWD? The 458 does just find with RWD, as does the McLaren. The fact that the Lamborghini has AWD seems to me a corporate decision because the platform will then spawn the new Audi R8.

    The likely difference in outright ability between the Huracan and the Audi will not likely be massive so the one is forced to ask not of the Huracan is better than the 458 but will the Huracan be quantifiably better than its Audi sister?

    When one takes the likely $ difference into account it may be difficult to justify the extra for the Lamborghini.
     
  22. LINDW4LL

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    It was the same story with the R8/Gallardo. Sure the LPs had a few HP advantage over the standard R8, but that's basically a difference in ECU tunes- easily remedied.

    They are essentially the same cars, mechanically. A few slight differences overall, but you get the point. On paper, the Lambo will never be worth the extra cost. But of course people buy on emotion and branding, not just specs on paper.


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  23. noone1

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    Why would Huracan residuals be worse than the Gallardo? The Gallardo didn't lose $80K in the first year. In fact, it's done not much worse than the comparable Ferrari.

    Have you seen Aventador pricing over the last few years? I'd argue the Aventador has stronger residuals than the 458, FF, California, and F12.

    Huracan has tons of orders already. It will do just fine. I'll be you $80K the Huracan doesn't lose $80K in year one. ;)
     
  24. noone1

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    Looks sell a car more than anything. The R8 and Huracan look nothing alike and plenty of people will line up to pay for the car they want more.

    I don't know about you, but I'd pay a nice premium for an LF over a 458, assuming they were identical inside.
     
  25. dipesh.tank

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    All these comments ripping the lambo to shreads make me crack up. No one has even driven one yet and they already ripping the huracan
     

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