Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

That's Mercedes' F1 tech - McLaren aren't an engine builder.

McLaren aren't employing a lot of tricks with the P1 that they could be. No direct injection, no variable geometry turbochargers, certainly no NOS like all the cool kids have. The 'Keep It Simple Stupid' approach often goes a long way.

I predict McLaren will be move their future products in those directions and maybe some we shouldn't talk about yet ( ) to keep ahead of their competitors.

>8^)
ER



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Predictably you're still the slowest one around here.

 

I am confident Honda will for them and this current line of cars will be seen as outdated pretty soon. P1 included

 

Brand recognition. People recognize Rolex more than Patek , Blancpain, doesn't mean a Rolex is better.

 

And a working week too...

 

Basta non rispondergli no ?
Ciao

Luque

 

Come dite in italiano?
"E stato buono togliermi questa satisfazione..." O qualcosa del genere

 

True. Intrinsic value and recognition are two different things

 

I'm glad you said that about idiots because many cultists actually argued those points .

 

it's both funny and disturbing when you now and again poke your head into a thread. seriously, I can't remember the last time you commented/contributed via discussion of LaF/P1/918. this type of post (and just about every kind of off-topic) is all you do on this forum. yikes.

 

Money to burn... oh I see because you can..you call this grown men conversation ?!


I support Mclaren no shame saying this, and if you followed my posts before you will know why.

I love Ferrari and unlike some...when I drive my Ferrari I enjoy it because it's a Ferrari and I pay no attention comparing it to any car out there, I just enjoy the Ferrari experience.

So I myself enjoy my purchase and love others to enjoy what they bought too.

Now..Are you ?

Mbn

 

yes. however, the claim by Mac fans/apologists/loyalists/cultists here was that Porsche didn't/doesn't have the level of 'cachet' of Mac.

 

I don't believe that the next 458 will have electrically spooled turbos.

 

I do. Hope it sounds good though.

 

We shall see. The new Cali doesn't sound that great though.

 

I said that in regard to their ability to peddle cars for $1M as they don't have a history of doing so. Some people mentioned irrelevant racing cars as proof I was wrong.

Cheers to them for that valiant effort, but no.

>8^)
ER

 

Not too long ago you didn't even believe Ferrari would switch to turbocharging even though the writing was on the wall in colorful graffiti.

>8^)
ER

 

First prancing horse, 2nd prancing horse, raging bull.
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I suppose some grown man don't understand humor or irony.

All I have to say is, if you have all these cars for these years, at least have some nicer photographs taken if you can't do it yourself.

 

No speedy kiwis?

 

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I agree a photographer is needed, but I need free time, you guys need to deal with my bad photography for now lol

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Whoa.

Maybe I'm missing something here.

So some folks have said that 'Porsche doesn't play in the $1 Million dollar ball park (forgetting for a second how irrelevant or untrue that statement maybe)'? I thought new cars were being discussed (which the 918 hovers right below).

However, if we're talking pre-owned/classic cars, haven't there been numerous GT1's road cars, Porsche Race cars (as Ferrari's and Mercedes), and collectibles such as the 550S that have sold for over a $1 million plenty of times?

Here's an excerpt from a CNBC article taken last year, regarding collectibles overall, including the biggest leagues (note the 5th paragraph):

(1st) "Wealthy car collectors spent like never before in 2013.

Auction sales of collectible cars in the U.S. are set to top $1.2 billion this year, an all-time record that's up 25 percent from 2012, according to Hagerty Insurance, the largest insurer of collectible cars. The 2013 total is nearly double the pre-financial crisis level for car auction sales.

While the number of cars sold ticked up 10 percent, to more than 19,500, the average price per car sold jumped 13 percent to $61,000 from $54,000.

Source: RM Auctions
This 1967 Ferrari 275 GTB/4*S NART Spyder sold for $27.5 million in August.

(5th Paragraph) The average price, however, masks the huge spike at the top end of the collector car market, where vintage Ferraris, Mercedes and Porsches are regularly fetching eight figures. Four of the top five most expensive collector cars ever sold at auction were sold in 2013.

Hagerty's Ferrari index, which features more than a dozen of the most sought-after Ferraris, soaring 18 percent, making Ferraris by far the most expensive category. But German cars are quickly catching up, with Hagerty's German car index— which includes Porsche, Mercedes and BMW—soaring 33 percent in 2013."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101257588

Now, even if CNBC was a little optimistic on that "regularly catching eight figures" statement, you get their point. Take this for example/below:

"1955 Porsche 550 Spyder Sells For Record $3.685 million"

1955 Porsche 550 Spyder Sells For Record $3.685 million

Note this is a road car (as if it really matters). Now it's safe to assume if that 550 Spyder sold for over $3 million, others have (sold for over $1 mil) and will as well. Sure enough, another one sold later in that year for $3.75 million in Monterey.

"1. 1955 Porsche 550/1500 RS Spyder (Lot S134) at $3,750,000"
NEWS :: Mecum Auctions

Additionally, various road going and track Porsche's have sold for over $1million dollars. And these prices are only going up, per that CNBC article, etc..

Just look at this AOL article, where that same 550 S Spyder sold for that price (note 2nd paragraph of excerpt):

"The Amelia Island Concours Auction, held in early March, broke eleven world records for Porsches, most notably the 1973 917/30 Can-Am Spyder that sold for a remarkable $4.4 million.

(2nd Paragraph) Additionally, a 1955 Porsche 550 went for a record $3.685 million, and a 1974 Porsche 911 Carrera RSR Turbo sold for $3.245 million. Other records broken include top prices for a Porsche 935, 962, 911 GT1, 906, 934, 924, 968 and 944. All in all, ten cars sold for more than a million dollars, and all sales combined for a total of $36 million."

http://autos.aol.com/article/porshce-record-setting-auction/

So ten Porsche's sold at over 1$ mil dollars, just at that one auction at Amelia Island. SMH

Here's a random road going GT1 for sale at $2.3 mil I stumbled on. One presumes it would fetch more than $1 mil dollars.

http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/08/01/for-sale-last-porsche-911-gt1-strassenversion/

Notice, I didn't include the $3.5 million Porsche RS60, $2.75 mil RS 61, or $6 mil selling 917, etc., race cars to further buttress this point? This was just a senseless argument. I'm still a bit puzzled by certain statements made on this site. So much one can refute. I'll stop here. The point should have been made.

Note (only cause it's been yelled at here erroneously regarding other makes by some): You don't see a certain English car maker mentioned in any of these articles and auctions, except their most famous car (which was based off a race car itself) of course.

Except for that one vehicle, it could be argued this respective car maker (all things considered) appears to be the bit player in said market, lacking the overall breadth of vehicles, name recognition and cachet of the overall collector's, media and cognoscenti's desires.

Funny.

 

More than enough of non-racing Porsche's have commanded 1mil+ in the secondary market just like Mac F1's. and when else did Ferrari sell a car for initial market MSRP of 1mil+ ?

 

Agreed.

If the argument was new cars, that would have been quite specious, considering both Ferrari and McLaren recently entered that market (ironically following Porsche's lead into Hyper-Brids) with their P1 and LaFerrari.

And if it was pre-owned/collectible cars being discussed, that argument was rendered mute by the multiplicity of road going and race Porsche's that have sold north of $1mil over the years.

Sometimes folks, just like to throw SH*T on the wall, hoping no one notices or proves it wrong, when no coherent arguments or points exist?

Let's see if the goal post will be moved once again in the future, to facilitate this lack of cohesion and foresight?

 

Obviously Porsche and Ferrari are nothing in the road car market
Apparently the mclaren boss knows nothing ...
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