Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

are there any performance stats out yet? i'd love to see one of these in a straightline race against a p1, 918 porsche, and veyeron.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4LUOE7p7c8

 

That is 25% more than the LaFerrari's, which is a huge number by comparisson. Also, you have to take strength into consideration.

 

Realzeus, 10 years ago... Thats huge amount of time if you consider materials. Also, I don't know, is it with cradle or not, I dont know.

 

Oh no , better than that !

I disagree with everything you have written about the drive of the cars you have mentioned . I'm afraid I am completely chilled and without wishing to offend you , simply repeat that I trust my opinion much more than I do yours . What you write is not a matter of feeling or opinion , you are merely incorrect and either exaggerate for effect or are not an experienced enough driver to feel the difference .

Actually for a car with no roof that was at the time stiffer than the comparable rsr including rollcage etc , that's a very impressive figure more than 10 years on . Especially when you consider that that's for the entire chassis .

 

Send your CV to Ferrari. It seems you have more knowledge than Ferrari Dev and F1 department best engineers.
They'll certainly consider careffuly your application.

 

Sure.

McLaren hasn't asked me not to do that, no, and I can't imagine they ever would. But all I can see are the risks that one of these irreplaceable cars gets damaged so I wouldn't partake in something like this and I'm certain my two friends (with the 918 and LaFerrari) wouldn't either. I think all three cars have proven themselves to be pretty wonderful in the hands of journalists already. If some magazine or car show wants to line up these cars and do a proper comparison under proper conditions I'd be just as interested in seeing it as the next sports car junkie but I'm 0% interested in donating my personal car for such a thing.

 

Ok.

Are you buying a 918, LaFerrari or P1?

 

Good post. Well said.

Perhaps, sir, you are a bit harsh. Sometimes supercar buyers fall into one "camp", when they connect with a certain brand, and defend it just like their favourite soccer, basketball or racing team. Manufacturers are certainly aware of this, and they try to court wealthy buyers to their side. Plane tickets. racing events, VIP treatment etc. Ferrari for example only sell LaF to pretty serious Ferrari collectors. McLaren similarly values Mcvengelists.

Well heeled buyers such as yourself sample the delights each brand has to offer, and make rational decisions. That is certainly respectable.

Aren't things a bit more interesting with heated discussions?

Now the question is, are you getting a 918?

 

Isn't it obvious

 

Why can't people have opinions in this thread?

Seems like anytime someone says something at all negative about the 918 or positive about the other cars in relation to it, be it based on real experience, observation, personal taste/preference, or just someone's unique point of view, it's blasted as being false, bull****, nonsense, untrue, incorrect, wrong, ridiculous, etc.

It's like some sort of Stuttgart Gestapo.

 

It's like there is some kind of wierd 918 religion and they all sit around with thier mantra of "gooble goble.gooble goble"

 

The Enzo's chassis weighed 202 pounds 12 years ago.

 

Delayed? Again? So its true...lol!

 

Epic!

By the way, I think all 3 cars being discussed here are great in different ways, that's why you'll see a few people with all 3.

 

thanks for the info mark! congrats on the car and good luck with it. excited for some videos!

 

They dont need me))) they know much better why al - you will not believe - sosts)))

 

Great!

 

Not a simple answer this one . I was one of the first to see the p1 and was going to buy p1 and 918 . (918 was a given as it fits my needs and porsche collection perfectly .)
After spending a lot of time around a few p1 , talking to mclaren , being driven around in one and talking to Some other friends of mine , I promptly cancelled my order . Then I got to drive one with a supersport ( both customer cars ) and was even more content with my decision . To me the car is not bespoke enough , is too similar to a 12c , sounds horrible plus I'm not convinced with the technology and the battery / temperature issues being experienced will only get worse in my opinion . Upon cancelling the p1 I was lucky enough to complete my Ferrari dream team , So to summarise My plans are currently to buy the 918 and a la Ferrari when the opportunity arises .

 

Thanks for your logistical point of view.

I think you offered up some interesting food for thought.

I've noted several times here, "the 918 cost more money to make--for various reasons, thus Porsche wants to recoup their investment (or at least remedy it) compared to the other two". Adding; "It's an entirely different engineering, manufacturing and business model".

Porsche had vowed a proper business decision on any new innovative, engineering intensive Supercar project after the 959. It couldn't be a pure vanity project. It had to make business sense as well. Your supply side logic/arguments, seems to fit right into this notion (from a cost, logistics and manufacturing perspective). It was the same for the 1100 example Carrera GT. There were plenty of new, innovative parts in that car (ceramic clutch, various metals, etc., which often gets overlooked when discussing these types vehicles), along with the carbon tub, etc., which must have added to the cost. And the CGT is simple, "easy peasy"--from a design, manufacturing, systems, software calibration/integration perspective compared to the 918.

As you mentioned: If it was a parts bin exercise, Porsche could afford to/wouldn't mind building an outright small amount; such as the GT3 RS 4.0, 911 Classic, etc., were.

Thanks again for your contribution.

 

Wtdoom, you've completed you Ferrari dream team? Would you care to divulge or is it something you consider a personal matter?

 

Perfect timing

Speaking of how "Bespoke", unique, etc., the 918 is: Here's an article on it's "Infotainment" system by Automobile Magazine with input from Phillip Popov and Michael Mann (no not the Miami Vice, movie director--lol) from it's manufacturer S1nn .

The article speaks about what the systems can do; what the glass is made out of, it's reprogramming ability; platforms it's run on, it's importance, and how it will eventually trickle down to other Porsche, and eventually VW group vehicles (and I'm sure the overall automobile business). This thing is like a Giant (or 2) modern cell phones built into and affixed to your car. It's an interesting, albeit subtle, geeky read (for the geeks, technologist, and engineer types among us).

And to Kudryavchik's Supply side points (and my overall vehicle, car market points) earlier:

"The big news is that S1nn sees the 918 Spyder infotainment system as a proof of concept before it markets itself to other car brands. "Nobody would buy from us for a high-volume car," before the company proved itself, says Popov. "Now we are talking to everyone.

S1nn says it will launch a version of the 918's infotainment system in a higher-volume car next year, with "more" models launching late 2016 or early 2017. By the end of 2017 or early 2018, S1nn plans to gradually offer its multi-screen, HTML5-based infotainment software in even more mass-market cars."

Hmmh. So they're using the 918 as a test bed, and now--especially with any success/reliability--plan to expand to many other car makers (Of course Tesla has their own "Infotainment" system, and relatively small volume as well). Good Luck to all of them.

FWIW: The writer was taken for a quick ride around Michigan roads, and shown the Launch Control (which interestingly enough "can be operated in any driving mode") of the 918 Spyder as well.

Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1406-s1nn-explains-the-porsche-918-spyder-infotainment-system/#ixzz33gCQ4odg

 

bit of a disappointment clicking that link, as i thought they'd be running against each other. still, looks like a great time.

 

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