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246 leak down test

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  1. yakxx21

    yakxx21 Karting

    Jun 29, 2013
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    I'm struggling to get my engine to run nicely , especially on the front two cylinders both not pulling their weight so I decided to do a leak down test...I put 100 pounds into the first gauge and then turn on the tap to allow the pressure to enter each cylinder at a time and all except one read 100 / 100. So that's sounds wonderful except that with rocker cover off I hear a lot of hissing air coming out of the timing chain area....I assume it coming out via the crank case which means it must be passing the rings so how come it still reads 100/100. ????

    Am I doing this right ??

    Is it normal for it to gush air up from the timing chain area ??


    Advise and comments please..
    Thanks
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #2 Rifledriver, Jun 3, 2014
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    100/100 is a near impossibility except in a few modern motors. Even then it is more like 100/99 or 98.

    You have performed the test incorrectly. Impossible from the incomplete information to know why.

    You said all but one cylinder. What did it measure?


    Did you perform a cranking compression test?
     
  3. yakxx21

    yakxx21 Karting

    Jun 29, 2013
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    Yes...I think it's impossible too ...I have an aircraft type differential tester ..I put each cylinder at TDC. And all except one reads 100/100.
    The do one reads about 100/80 and I can hear hissing coming from that relative carb so I guess the inlet valve has a bad seat...at the same time I'm hearing a lot of air gushing out of the timing area...
    But I'm still getting 100 /100 and
    Is it normal to hear the air coming out of the timing chain area...with rockers off...

    The engine runs badly after a top end overhaul ...
     
  4. yakxx21

    yakxx21 Karting

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    Oh...yes the compression tests shows about 140 max on all pots
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    If you have 140 you should, from a cylinder sealing standpoint be able to get 6 good firing cylinders.
     
  6. yakxx21

    yakxx21 Karting

    Jun 29, 2013
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    What I dont understand is ,yes I have a reasonable 140 ish compression when cold and turning a bit slow so that tells me that rings should be Ok BUT is it normal to hear a real gush of air coming from the chain area deep down...surely this means that when the rocker cover is put back a lot of pressure must build up ?? in crankcase and force oil smell or worse....is that normal ?? ...I mean it sounds real loud but the leak down tester harcly moves....

    comments pls

    also what are those two little air stems coming out of the inlet manifold for ?? during testing I assume I should block them ??
     
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    By pot, do you mean cylinders? Except for cooking I am unfamiliar with the term. If we stay with accepted terminology for the English language we have a chance to understand each other.


    The sound you are hearing is probably leakage past the rings. That is one reason for the crankcase ventilation system.

    For whatever reason your leak down test is invalid so pay no attention to the results.

    What little air stems?
     
  8. yakxx21

    yakxx21 Karting

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    Hi... The inlet manifold has two little extrusions with minute holes which go via plastic tubes to the big carb filter.....well mine does anyway.

    I am still pondering what Im doing wrong with the leakdown test,,,Im just pumping 100 pounds into the spark plug holes.....the first gauge reads 100 and the second about the same....when I rock the crankshaft back and fourth at the same time it almost pulls the socket extension out of my hand and of course the pressure drops either side but back to TDC and back to 98 it goes.....
    I accept Im doing something wrong but not sure what yet...I will get there....eventually I hope...

    Thanks for your comments I appreciate ...

    Oh and POT...well...its been a Pot (Cylinder) since i started with motors about 55 years ago..(In England) ..but maybe nowdays that terminology has faded......but talk to any old boy.....its still a Pot...Cheers...From Sunny Portugal....
     
  9. Ferraripilot

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    John!
    Sounds like your leak tester is bad. The leak tester body which the two gauges attach to have the two gauges separated by a tiny calibrated hole which is usually .040 per FAA standards which has been adopted by most tester manufacturers. This hole is essentially what allows the pressure to read differently between the two gauges, so if you are essentially reading the exact same reading on both gauges then I bet the calibrated hole is wrong, probably too big. Try with a good tester.
     

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