FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2014 RACE **SPOILERS***

5 position grid penalty for Perez, next race. Lucky for him it was not worse.

 

Considering I do not have any positive feelings for Alonso, I have no problem with Alonso's after race comments, the car is simply s**t. Ferrari was successful when non-Italians ran the team. Now, another story.

They just need to get rid of all of the Italians, especially the mouth, LdM. He is an embarrassment. And please, all he has done that was good, he hired that little French guy Todt, who in turn hired Ross and Michael. Getting really tired of hearing anything that defends LdM.

 

So far, it seems the only one who didn't think the big crash was Perez's fault is Perez. I haven't read anywhere yet where he's accepted any responsibility or even said he was sorry if even as a "racing deal."

Vettle seems to be coming to terms with his car. It seems that those with "average" cars...the veterans anyway...have all struggled with the new style of driving that is required. I think Seb is gaining that confidence and has really started to let it hang out. I don't understand Ferrari. Is there car really that bad, or are Kimi and Fred just having that much harder a time adjusting.

I watched the the last laps again...Ric went from 1.5 to 8tenths on Nico, and it stuck, but then on the straight, just closed that and passed him. I'm wondering if Nico's car really started shutting down. The crash came right after and everyone held position and turned down...so I guess we won't know. I'm wondering if vettle could have caught him and passed him as well. Just another what if I guess... Or maybe I saw it wrong.

 

Interesting race im happy for riccardo. Feel bad for hamilton hes had bad luck while everything seems to fall nicos way. Ah well such is life.

 

Was it bad luck? Nico was told to coast to save his brakes, and he did. Maybe Lewis didn't have the patience. Just hypothesising, since they both had the same problem.

 

Not so certain. He's consistently used less fuel/tires than Nico this year and seem to drive a more controlled race than in the past. I don't think he did anything to exacerbate the situation today...he emerged from the second pit comfortably ahead of Nico and then lost his brakes at turn 10. Both cars were failing at the same time, but the team was able to adjust ?Nico before his car went into the tank.

If we want to say LH screwed both cars by racing Nico hard then, fine, I think that's possible....but to me that's clearly his job.

The car simply failed both Merc guys today, but Lewis got the worst of it.

(To review, the ERS failed on both cars causing excessive strain on the regenerative braking. They knew the ERS was robbing them of top-end speed, but I don't think they realized the negative impact on rear brakiing until it was too late for LH. Nico went to a heavily front-biased setting after Lewis went down)

 

See my post above. LH had bad luck, Nico's team was able to adjust the bias to save him from the same fate.

 

Fair enough.

 

Also not sure if LH had bad luck, but during the times he was running well, Rosberg was usually faster. So the myth that Hamilton is the faster driver on the track is beginning to fade away.

 

The fastest driver in a race is… the first driver across the finish line. Faster drivers over a lap don't count except in qualifying. Conditions are completely different if you have to pass other drivers, have a degraded car,…etc.

 

Smedley talks about the crash with Perez and Massa. Perez needs help!

--Williams head of vehicle performance Rob Smedley said: "We were lucky not to have had someone seriously hurt and lucky not to collect Sebastian in a side-on impact.
"We showed the stewards evidence that Felipe brakes about five metres earlier than the lap before.
"There is evidence from the side shot - if you take Felipe and Sebastian through the braking phase, the distance between them is the same and you see Perez is backing towards Felipe.
"We showed them the overhead shot. Perez brakes very early, and the car jinks to the left, either because he does it or because of brake problems, I don't know.
"And we showed them evidence from the radio transcript [with Perez] talking about 'I have no rear brakes.' And they [Force India] said: 'If you can carry on, carry on, and if you can't, pit.'
"That sounds like a terminal problem and why you leave a car out in that condition is beyond me. I'm a bit peeved, to say the least, that this has happened.--

BBC Sport - Canadian GP: Sergio Perez penalised for Felipe Massa crash

 

Williams should have rolled he dice and tried to have Massa complete the race on one stop

 

In the post race interviews on F1.com, Perez says he was "defending".

Perez has been penalized a few times before: for blocking in qualifying in '12, and for running another car off the track when he was with McLaren.


But somebody want to explain why Williams pitted Massa when they did, on his last stint?

He was past Rosberg and pulling away in the race lead. You can be sure Rosberg would have held up anyone else trying to get past.

So why didn't they stretch his primes, as long as he was pulling away, and then bring him in (if needed) for a short stint on options, rather than dropping him from first to seventh to put him on another set of primes?

If nothing else, letting him build a gap would have let them bring him in without losing a half dozen spots.
Massa kept getting hosed by poorly timed pit stops when Smedley was calling his race at Ferrari, too.

Bottas didn't do too well on pit timing, either.

Does anyone else see a trend, this year, where Williams has been doing well on-track and tossing it away in the pit stops?


edit:

Looks like we were thinking alike.
(How often does *that* happen? )

 

Look at the onboard, Vettel very clearly saw Massa....

+1

Quite funny how his rear brake failed the moment he squeezed Rosberg so that they touched. Had he refrained from contact he would most probably have finished on the podium.

 

I was amazed when they pitted him...

 

Regarding Perez...If the accident purely happened because of him ''defending'' a 5 place ban is idiotic. He's made a lot of boneheaded moves before but this one takes the crown. I'd seriously consider giving him a race ban for his actions. Had Vettel not seen Massa this accident would've been much worse.

 

What a bizarre race that was! So much drama! IMO Perez was clearly at fault for the wreck.


Nice to see Daniel Ricciardo get his first win! He seems very humble and appreciative and enjoyed every second of the experience.


A shame about Mercedes' perfect season coming to an end but perhaps this is what they needed(the team and the drivers) to refocus. A little reality check to let them know they are not invincible. The upside is that even with the MGU-K failure the W05 is still competitive!

 

Silly question, but didn't Massa technically get stranded ahead of Perez and should be listed ahead of him, accordingly? What framework are the rules providing with this regard? In this case one can obviously say "position before accident", but what if one car would stumble back to the pits before retiring a la Schumacher on three wheels? That car is then ahead, surely? A bit of a nonsense-question : )

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by TifosiUSA
Williams should have rolled he dice and tried to have Massa complete the race on one stop
Bas -I was amazed when they pitted him...


Agree'd. Williams need to improve their pit-wall/pit lane strategies now.

 

He got off very lightly. His history is not much better than Maldo's. Mclaren do not miss him.
On a larger picture view - Rolling roadblocks with problems like Perez need to be move out of the way rather than risk these incidents. Vettel, Ricciardo and Massa should have been cleared to pass him much sooner. Perez was NEVER going to win this. His DNF is frankly well deserved for this.

Im all for racing but he was not racing anyone- just blocking, literally those who had an actual race to run.

 

Yes that was the problem, and according to Toto, when they pit stopped them the brakes overheated and hence then it caused the problems, pressure was on Ham from word go, as soon as Nico pipped him to the post in Q.

My worry is Merc calling team orders time, in an attempt to save the cars from this happening again, Toto seemed to imply this would not be the case, however seeing is believing.

On the whole the race was excellent on a great track and I was glad to see Ricci win it, Nico did the hard work in Q so respect to him, that tenth made a big difference in the end.

Not sure about Nico's chicane cutting, but I suppose how could they implement a reasonable type of penalty, so I suppose that's why he didn't get one, he was ruthless at the start, when Ham got the jump on him, fair racing no love lost between the two IMO< so as long as it works both ways am happy..

 

+1 and to offset all this "chicanery" they need to block it off. End the run off altogether. They dont need the option at this level and end any chance of controversey at all in Montreal with that corner.

 

Yes D, or put a few landmines on it ...ya know we do strive to improve the show us fans..

 

I don't have an issue with trying to finish a race, especially when in a podium position, with fair blocking. However, his attempted block was something that was only ever going to work on Gran Turismo (and should stay there), a move perfected by 12 year olds. It was a kamikaze move that was never, ever going to work.

Definitely not the first time and probably not the last. And it's a shame, as Perez has more than just a bit of speed in him. He's matched and bettered Hulkenberg on more a few occasions this season and we all know what he did in Sauber too.

I think a ramp with a huge catch net would be fun, like those human cannonball type nets .