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FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2014 RACE **SPOILERS***

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  1. DF1

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    Very true about his skill. He just needs to offset his badmoves with better race-craft. No longer a rookie he is.
     
  2. DF1

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    I like that idea. Its now a show and shower of carbon fibre LOL!
     
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  5. Bas

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  6. DF1

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    Strange he spun 2 times in the same place. I don't see Kimi staying too long. He had it better at Lotus. Sure he moved on and gets paid but he is not a factor in the series or frankly at Ferrari. He has not 'pushed' FA at all as LdM hoped.

    Massa predicted he would have trouble in the press last week stating, its a team built around Fernando and would not change at all to accommodate him. Felipe was there a LONG time and knows their systems well.

    IF I was Kimi id do my best to leave and go to McLaren. I just don't sense anything good happening for him at Ferrari. He seems utterly frustrated.
     
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    Yup I agree. Nando has the team wrapped around his finger. He knows how to play the press and the team and specifically LdM is falling for it time and time again. Until he loves it's quite simply known as ''Scuderia Fernando''
     
  10. Bas

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    angle is hard, but it's easy to see how far on the outside edge Bianchi already was. Anymore and he would've been rallying.
     
  11. Aircon

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    So what? MS famously did the same thing. So did Vettel. .... well until now.

    Personally, I think it's the smart way to go if you want to maximise results.
     
  12. Bas

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    MS did it in a ''nicer'' way. Whatever happened to his teammate, he was happy for him. I don't think Schumacher ever went to the press to talk negatively about the team when a race didn't go his way but did for his teammate. When the team wasn't going so well he didn't threaten to leave every 5 minutes.

    Secretly now, I really hope that Kimi will go to Mclaren next year and wins a title with them, and that Ferrari will have another mediocre year with Alonso. The chap gets on my nerves. It's a shame he's as talented as he is because otherwise I don't think anyone would've touched him with a 10ft pole after 2007.
     
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    Concur..... Loved that race, so much excitement in the last 15 laps. Good on Phil for taking a chance though....
     
  16. IamRobG

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    Where the hell was he going? It looks like he just jerked the wheel right into him from that angle.
     
  17. DGS

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    #667 DGS, Jun 9, 2014
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    I wouldn't want to see a return to unlimited blocking, like in the days when Senna held up the entire field by making his slower McLaren wider than the track. ;)

    But you also can't expect drivers to just give away a points position because the car isn't perfect.

    Rosberg didn't have to just move aside for Ricciardo. Daniel managed to get by both Perez and Rosberg.
    Vettel probably could have passed Perez sooner, but while he had Perez ahead of him, he could use his DRS to defend against Massa.

    It was 2001 or 2002 where a driver in a slower car held up Montoya for several laps, before Montoya was able to pull off a pass.
    (Malaysia 2002?) Even the Montoya fans acknowledged that the young driver wasn't required to simply give away a position.

    But F1 regs now only allow one "defending" move, which you have to do before the car is beside you.
    Pulling over and rapidly slowing is not only not "defending", it's also stupidly dangerous.

    Perez just demonstrated *why* unlimited defending moves are no longer permitted, under the regs.

    Perhaps Perez was remembering Bahrain, when Massa successfully held off *both* Force Indias for many laps, after Bottas pitted.
    (With Massa pushing the "one defensive move" rule to the breaking point. ;))
    --- Until Williams called their cars in for late pit stops that pushed them down to 7th and 8th.
    (Force India finished 3rd and 5th after having spent most of the race behind the Williams cars.)
    Williams has to up their strategy to match their Mercedes package.


    The "golden rule": Him what brings the gold makes the rules.
    Scuderia Santander. ;)
    Besides: when Alonzo gets unhappy, he throws the team to the FIA. (Steppneygate, Crashgate.)

    Right after the race, 'Zo (while dissing the car) sounded a bit peeved that Massa in the Williams blew past him. ;)
    Alonzo did manage to get past Bottas, once Bottas had cooked his brakes.
    (Canada is a tough track on brakes. Remember the cars DQ'd for oversize brake ducts, a few years back?)
     
  18. VIZSLA

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    For what its worth, Nico and Lewis were running different brake biases. That may be why Lewis had more serious issues.
     
  19. NeuroBeaker

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    During the race (before the technical failures) Nico asked on the radio about Lewis' brake balance, and the engineer informed him that Lewis was running more in the rear than he was.

    So, even before the powertrain failures, Nico had more brake life on the rear and after Lewis' rear brakes failed completely, Nico was able to shift brake balance even further forward to ensure a race finish.

    I think it was just luck of the draw with the set-up in this instance. It will certainly make the rest of the season more interesting, as I think Lewis will be desperately hungry to claw back the points gap between himself and Nico. Exciting times ahead! :D

    All the best,
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  20. DF1

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    Read Smedly's comments the condition of Perez machine. He was a dangerous failing rolling block. Its a fine line but he fits the description perfectly he was simply holding up cars not racing and in a car that was possibly not fit to finish in Canada. Brake failure is not a good reason to block/impede and prevent racing. He should have been moved and suffered his fate losing points rather than forcing passes because he simply can. He had a broken car that was in some opinions not fit to race on. The radio traffic was enlightening about this.
     
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    I was going to bring this to everyone's attention about the radio transmission from Nico asking how Lewis was braking so deep and they told him Lewis is running more rear bias. Lewis destroyed his rear brakes trying to get past Nico in the first half hence his car failure
     
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    On one hand, I understand Perez wanting to hold them off anyway he could for just another lap or so and get a podium. I get it. At some point though, you just got move aside for safety's sake because you just know as everyone gets more frustrated and things become more urgent... something bad is gonna happen and we saw that yesterday.

    Still, I can't deny that on some level I applaud the desire to win. Either way though, I still have no idea what he was thinking by juking left into the path of Massa. That was just plain ridiculous and I'd like to read more about if he really did laugh it off in Massa's face like Phil says he did. That might put him on the same level Maldanado.
     
  24. VIZSLA

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    Pitting a marginal car while well up in the points is anathema to any driver.
    That's why they have black flags.
     
  25. ricksb

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    Lewis' brakes were destroyed because the MGU-k system failed, creating over-stress on the rears. Had the MGU-k not failed, his normal rear-biased set-up would have been fine. Remember that right after LH pitted, they showed shots of Nico's car cutting the curves and Buxton reporting they were having him change the bias in hopes of saving his brakes.

    Yes, LH's set up meant that he was more doomed than Nico, but Nico's car was going off with brake problems also. I think Andrew is 100% correct.
     

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