Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I was thinking the same thing when I was writing that (though Jim Glinkenhaus, Scuderia, various owners, posters, and some others have provided inside info from time to time as well).

 

Yeah, true insiders don't always give positive info (especially when one wants answers on something negative that's in the news).

That would be like an investigative journalist (or one who said he had an insider somewhere) who only gave positive information/excuses/defenses from his source; even when negative things/bad news transpired, with the public clamoring for answers. Even a simple "they're not talking" would suffice (though if this happened repeatedly, it would ultimately place one's "source gathering skills" in question). Lol

And yes, if said reporter only had negative "insider information" on that other sources competitor's (your LaFe/Ferrari example), people would call them a tool, propagandist, fan boy, wishful believer, etc, I would guess. Lol

You hate to be critical and point stuff out like this. After all, we're all just talking cars (and welcome, appreciate all contributions). At the same time: others are not repeatedly stating "we have insider info", while only repeating seemingly self serving, inane corporate drivel, defenses and excuses. They are (the guilty parties doing it; so not to generalize all McLaren fans)!

 

P1 during the Gumball. First time I saw it and it looks a fantastic car to drive.
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Good Points/True Indeed!

 

"It's not a true representation of what our car can do" ... *repeat as many times as necessary*

Of course they can't elaborate on what a true representation would be now, idiots. Poor Ron just had brag about breaking the lap record at Dunsfold in the P1 and claim that it would go around the 'Ring in under 7 minutes. He should have kept his big mouth shut.

 

To be fair , I'm pretty sure Ron was joking about his drive and meant vs the star in a fast car . I think the humour was lost in translation matey .

 

Indeed. And even if they were to [magically] show up at Dunfold alone in the future (presumably in some hopped up or improved version of the vehicle) and break the 918's alleged record, I wouldn't want to hear a peep out of R. Dennis or the McLaren faithful crowing about it, when they had the perfect opportunity--2X--to go head to head with a direct competitor and inexplicably chose not to.

 

Maybe so, but if it was a joke then it was a strange one..I don't believe he was joking about the lap time. He seemed relatively serious while talking about it and his demeanour in the video suggests that he wasn't joking.

I think the record lap time for a guest star was around ~1.45. If he meant that he beat that lap record by 10 seconds then he did a wholly unimpressive ~1.35. I think if someone gave my the key to a P1 I'd be able to get a better time. However, if he meant that he beat the other record - the Huayra's 1:14 - then we're talking about Ron doing a ~1:04 lap which is insanely quick.

Anyway, it's old news. Just funny to look at what they were saying then compared to what they're saying now

 

Top Gear Magazine's July Edition have tested the P1 & the 918 (WS package) on the Parcmotor Castelloli circuit near Barcelona and on the road back to back and some of it will feature on the TV Show. They have recorded their lap times, though not published them in the magazine. Other performance cars have been also tested, amongst them the McLaren 650S which was the fastest apart from those two with a 1:54.5 mins lap time. Both the P1 & the 918 were more than 4 seconds faster on that 2.5 mile circuit. ( 'The Stig' set the times, make of that what you will).

Verdict by Top Gear (journalist Tom Ford): "Which leaves us with the P1 and 918. (...) one fact became clear over Top Gear magazine's Speed Week on road & track: at my level of driving skill, I am faster in the Porsche 918, simply because it's easier to drive on the limit, for more of the time. The McLaren P1 is undoubtedly as brisk, but to access the outer limits of it's capabilities, you have to spent way more time in it, and very possibly take some race-driving instruction. You don't get comfortable with downforce in a week. It also means in a real head to head with a pro the winner will be circuit dependent - they're that close."

The following data was measured during the week's testing:

Criteria P1 918

0-60 2.7 2.5 seconds
0-100 5.0 5.0 seconds

0-100-0 9.5 9.4 seconds
60-0 28.9 26.7 meters
100-0 76.3 71.1 meters

30-70 1.9 1.7 seconds

Lateral G 2.15 1.87

Max Speed
on track. 151.9 153.5 mph

 

$3.35M.

OK.
You get to do push ups with race car drivers.
And play Playstation too.

 

Gordon Murray never made any sort of claims.


And the DETUNED ROAD car dominated the road and RACE cars at 24hrs LeMans.
Not just 1 lap.

 

VERY impressed by 918. Cant see P1 being faster at Ring or any other track(at least by considarable margin). 918 accelerates better. It achieves better top speed (153vs151) at the track so it must be its 4wd and 4ws along with great TC give P1 a beating. It also breaks better.

Its clear why McL didnt want to go head to head. Numbers tell everything.

 

and it will only get faster with Cup tires

 

Is the 918 going to end up being the fastest of the 3 ? 4wd ftw

 

How are the 918's braking distances shorter than the P1's?

 

What is the reality that the P1 could be the slowest of the 3? Granted we're talking about 10ths of a second; and these 3 are murderously fast....but....I think McLaren's claims, and their fans, that the other two cars are not only close, but in many cases faster, is hard for them to accept. Hence the defensive attitude....
But, anyone who can afford to own any of these cars owns the baddest on the road, and will never be able to exploit them fully....

 

Thank You S-Mario (for this). And we'll look forward to the rest of it when it comes out.

Where can we find the stuff you posted here if we wanted to see it (or is this essentially all of it, including comments)?

 

The TG magazine will be in the shops next week (in the UK, not sure of the international edition), will see whether I can scan a few pages soon. I chose to quote the verdict as it best summarises what the article describes in more detail. It seems that the author (and I got the impression he may not have been alone in this view) came away after having spent a week with both cars that the P1 is more edgy to drive than the 918 on track & on the road. He gave an example. He went into one corner (on the above circuit) what felt too quick at 80 mph and thought he overcooked it and lifted off the throttle, something he admits was rather daft, and the P1 spins. He then did the same section in the 918 at 80 mph and again lifted off the throttle to see how that car responds but managed to control the situation without spinning. He went on to take that corner with 95 mph in the 918. He stated that the feedback through the steering wheel on the 918 was excellent, on the P1 the steering feel was more frenzied at the limit and in that sense less confidence inspiring and requiring more time to familiarise yourself with the car and it's limits.

 

At Lucky's tonight in Montecito CA. Driver ignored us. Woman friend said car is scary fast and can't really try it on the street.
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We're you driving an F car?

 

No, Ruf Turbo R.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if it was at SB C&C tomorrow.

 

Darn, even Bill S in a Ruf Turbo R got ignored

At least the woman responded.

Prolly need a F supercar to get attention.

Just kidding

 

Surprised that the 918 braking performance is better than the so hyped akebono brakes performance on the p1!

650s seems to be a really good deal imho, performance is really good, especially for the price.