ABS does not belong on a 328

Well, Mike, I've done it in the mid 90's in a then current model BMW 328 - hardly a slouch, and I'm not an F1 driver either. I can't imagine a 1989 Ferrari ABS being better than a 1997 BMW one, but what would I know? And yes, it was in perfect conditions, on a circuit, with measuring tape, witches hats, etc... I'm not arguing that point! You can't guarantee anything until you have the data - go and try it!

 

I have a 77 GT/4 and a current BMW. The BMW does everything better but I still prefer driving the Ferrari.

 

You know, I need a family car, I'm sure I can convince the wife that a GT4 will suit - always regretted selling mine (nearly 30 yrs ago now)

 

You "beat the system" on a 1997 BMW? Outbraked it? Without knowing any more details, I'll offer up a hearty "Bravo!"

FYI, in my job as an ABS engineer for a major auto manufacturer, one of our signoff criteria is that the system has to produce a shorter stopping distance than the drivers best effort on pavement.

 

Please post in the "sticky" parts cross reference the donor cars, and vendors email addresses or phone numbers for these easy to find, cheap and used, and WORKING available TEVES ABS systems.

We tried to buy the complete systems several times and none of them worked, all of them were corroded internally. There were no complete used working systems. We could get and did replace the switches and the accumulator ball. But the main system was nowhere to be found and the working one my friend and fellow Fchatter sourced came in from a car that was getting parted out but still ran.


I want to know who to call in Europe to order one of these set ups so cheap and easily.

 

It was in 1997, I'm not sure the vintage of the BMW, but it was new, so I doubt more than 2yrs old. The driving instructor was better than any of us, as well, although he would have been pretty familiar with the car. Nobody could beat the system when the (same piece of) tarmac was hit with water sprayers.

With this in my head 10 yrs later, the efficiency of the system in the Lotus Exige just blew me away - I never tried it, but I doubt I could outbrake it. Without seatbelts, I would have been through the bloody windscreen!

 

As for donor cars, I have these so far:
TEVES MARK 2 ABS (4-wheel, Integral)

1985 to 1989 Lincoln Continental
1985 to 1992 Lincoln Mark VII
1986 to 1989 Buick LeSabre
1986 to 1990 Buick Electra, Park Avenue
1986 to 1989 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham
1986 to 1990 Cadillac DeVille
1986 to 1990 Oldsmobile 98
1986 to 1990 Pontiac 6000 STE
1987 to 1992 Ford Thunderbird
1987 to 1992 Mercury Cougar
1988 to 1989 Cadillac Eldorado, Seville
1988 to 1989 Buick Reatta, Riviera
1988 to 1989 Merkur Scorpio
1988 to 1990 Oldsmobile Delta 88, Toronado
1988 to 1990 Pontiac Bonneville & SSE

1988 to 1991 Peugeot 505
1987 to 1993 Saab 9000
1991 to 1993 Saab 900
1991 to 1993 Volkswagen Passat, Golf MkII, Golf Mk II, Jetta, Bora, Corrado
Jaguar XJS
Some Mercedes-Benz
Alfa-Romeo 75 & Milano
Ford Sierra
Ferrari 348

Anybody having others please feel free to add to the list.

Rgds

 

Thank you for the reply. Apologies for my late response. I am over 40, work full time and am in school full time for a degree.

In the USA we no longer have junk yards like we used to. cars stay in a yard for a very short period of time, choice or in demand parts are removed, put on a shelf and put into a national database. they the remains of the car are crushed. So we have very few, if any cars from the era these donor cars come from. It would be best to buy a running junker to salvage the ABS from it, to save a Ferrari. In Georgia where I am, you cannot find cars older than 2000 or so in a "junk yard" as most of them get crushed fast. hence we have crushed many of the donor cars, and thus the source of working, used parts. The TEVS ABS system does not come up as available in the national used parts database when searched, but its great information.

Thank you.

 

Add to that
Volkeseagen Passant. 35i mk3
Jaguar 1998

 

How do you program it for the Ferrari tuning? Has someone actually done this and evaluated that the ABS worked "OK" after?

Just because two cars both have Teves Mk__ ABS units doesn't mean they're programmed the same. I don't know how they tuned the modules way back then, but a modern Mk60 unit can be bolted into any number of other Mk60 applications, but won't run at all due to recognizing it's not in the correct vehicle that it's tuned for. Back then it wouldn't have had all of the vehicle networks to interact with, so it may well run as long as it sees the correct number of wheel speed sensors, but, as an ABS engineer, I wouldn't expect the Saab 900 programming to be the same as the Ferrari 328 programming.

I get it that these parts are No Longer Available, but mixing and matching ABS modules based on the fact that they bolt up could leave you with two locked wheels and two wheels not braking at all leading up to the crash.

 

Great post on the modules. I have no answer, other than we were trying to replace the whole hydraulic assembly and could not find one working unit anywhere, until we found a car getting cut up for parts that was running and drive-able still. Not going to beat this horse anymore. Somebody will have an 89 with dead brakes and post here eventually.

 

Well,

Maybe it is a coincidence, but: there are at least two for sale on E-Bay right at the moment...

Ferrari Ate ABS Brake System ECU 348 328 Modial Part Number 131325 | eBay

Ferrari 328 ABS ECU Part 131325 | eBay

Note that, according to the "Teves Mk II instruction book" in the ferrari technical assistance collection, it is not the same for Euro and US cars.

Rgds