Anyone having problems with f430 throwing themselves into neutral once the car warms up?
common issue - don't remember exactly what it is but its one of the converters...try searching or maybe someone will chime in....
Mine required a new E differential solenoid to solve this issue. My car would not shift up into another gear on occasion. The fix was about $1,700 through the dealer
My 08 F1 is currently at the Ferrari dealership with similar issues - won't do reverse, jumping out of gear etc etc - it's been nearly two weeks so when I hear the story I'll post. Thankfully it's under warranty.
Bret- Same answer as the other one. An SD3 or equivalent will tell you what is wrong in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing.
The car has been at Ferrari of San Francisco for weeks. They said it was the accumulator. Even though a private shop ruled that out. I decided to trust them. It was replaced and I was sent on my way. $2500 I did not make it home. About a 45min drive. When i got off the freeway and slowed, it went into neutral and would not go into any gear or reverse. Nothing was fixed , frustrating to say the least. If I let the car cool about 30 min. everything works fine again til it warms up. Now they have the car for over a week and say it has something to do with the throwout bearing binding on the shaft. Based on a low clutch wear reading. I am told this is also what the factory believes. I do not. I have told them I do everything I can to save the clutch while drive.Do not base you diagnosis on this. I am told this is what the factory has come up with. They want $3500 to pull the trans to take a look see. I have no offer from them to refund the $2500 for the previous missed diagnosis. I have read a few posts outlining up to four months to solve this same issue while cars were under warranty. It involved changing part after part after part. Without ever finding the cause. Most cases were fixed with Ferrari throwing in the towel then sending the entire F1 system .Seems to me they need to determine the cause. My car had signs early on. When calling the dealership I was told to shut down the car and restart to reboot the computer. Worked every time till the warranty expired. Thank you for any help. also how many others have had the same problem? Bret 2008 F430 coupe Bought new in 2008
Usually, If the throwout is binding you will end up with the gearbox TCU seeing rpm at the input shaft while trying to change gear (like trying to change gear in a stick shift without using much clutch) and the TCU will shut down the engine, not just throw it into neutral. You will end up with errors stored showing this to be the culprit..
Actually having a throw out bearing stick causing input shaft RPM will not call for engine shut down unless you are coming to stop <6mph. It will however go to neutral and set a clutch beyond PIS error. With this being heat related and affecting all gears I would first suspect a selection or engagement potentiometer failing. If this is heat related it can be difficult to reproduce in the shop without extended driving time. What is most important when diagnosing these F1 issues is patience by the technician and not jumping to conclusions. Sometimes your are better paying more for the diagnosis time and getting the correct fix rather then saving on the diagnosis and then paying for the guesses. There are lots of items that cause issues on the F1 system and no magic bullet.
The car works perfectly for about half an hour. When coming to a stop it will go into neutral by it's self before stopped. It will then not go into gear or even reverse. If I open the engine cover and wait 20 min. or so everything works perfectly again but only for a short time 10 min. or so. It is so frustrating when you take the car to an authorized Ferrari dealership and they do not know what the problem is. Even with so called help from the factory. They ran it through 29 pages of diagnostic procedure from the factory. From that all they came up with is the clutch wear seems to low for the miles on the car. From this they seem to think it is a throw out bearing. I think these guys are wrong again. I paid them $2500 for their first diagnostic of the accumulator. I ended up stuck on the side of the road. All I got was an I'm sorry. I have lost the trust . Any other guys out there had a similar problem? would love to hear what your fix was. Thank You Bret 2008 F430
That sucks that they will not reimburse the $2500. If you paid by credit card I would challenge it with the card company. Alternative is small claims court. To me that is too much money to be throwing down the drain. Alan
Bret, where are you located.. might be time for an independent with an SD or Leonardo.. I realized when the Mayor noted that outside of warranty the dealership is... just another used car repair shop, only prices for parts are much, much higher than other independents.
Spoke to my local Ferrari dealer yesterday - initial diagnosis from the factory was worn clutch despite only showing 27% wear??? - but IMHO I don't think they really know. Anyway they're going in today so should have answers pretty soon - not a happy camper bearing in mind I've had this car 7 months and covered 400 yes 400 miles since I bought the car from a UK official Ferrari dealership on the "approved" warranty programme - not good as this is the season to use. I'll keep you posted.
No they will not reimburse the $2500 . I am going pick up the car tomorrow. I will get it home . Just to frustrated with everybody at Ferrari right now. I will get it to an independent shop soon. I will let everyone know what the real problem is in a few weeks. I would be willing to bet it is not the throw out bearing as they have diagnosed. Seems the Factory is having to diagnose more F1 problems then they can handle Should we all band together ? I say RECALL !!! for the low miles all these cars have it is not right
Wow, reading up on your post I feel frustrated myself. I am sorry to hear what you're going thru, Bret. Hope time will give it all and will heal all. Hope you will find a good independent shop to handle this issue. Good luck to you and let us know when you have something. Your sharing ease us all F-chatter. Thank you in advance.
Get Ferrari NA involved. They usually scare the heck out of the dealer once they are in the picture. I did this with my 355 when I had F1 issues with it. I forgot who I dealt with at Ferrari NA but he was very helpful.
similar issue turned out that the F1 system bleed valve was loose allowing air to get in the system. Once it was removed and bleed and refilled no issue. Good luck My Clutch is 80% so it was not the issue.
Bret, I have read and read about the f1 system lastnight, because my 360 is currently having issue as well. One of the thing I ran across is the LAN communication between the ECU and the TCU. They talk to each other and one of the parameter they share is coolant temp. The strategy built behind this is to protect the engine and gearbox when detect higher temp then normal. I wouldn't hurt just to peek at your coolant level and condition, Since it is afterall warm up(heat) related. You did mention only happen when warm up right?
Picked up the car from the dealership yesterday. When I asked for my old accumulator back they said they had already thrown it away! When I picked up the car the first time I did not ask for it. But I did call in the next morning telling them I wanted it. By law they have to return it to me. Anyway I did not make it all the way home 45 miles. This time when I came to a stop when trying to put it into first it was searching for gears, would go to 3rd then 5th, then 2nd etc all the while trying to roll forward. Anyone have this issue? scheduled to go to an independent shop in a few weeks. Thanks Bret
