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  1. howl

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    Wondering if anyone found a non Ferrari space saver spare (doughnut) that will fit on a 430 with CCM. I heard somewhere that maybe a volvo rim? Ferrari part pretty expensive for something one will hopefully never use, and then just to limp home.

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  2. vrsurgeon

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    I bought a steel volvo spare for my 360. The offset isn't enough even with my standard setup. You need a spacer of sorts to make it work.. but it will. The aluminum S70 rims seem to be a better fit than the steel with the round holes that I have. Will prob need a spacer though.. Just for consideration.
     
  3. Cyt

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    Can you post some pictures on this? I'm really keen to know more. I have had two punctures in the last two months on my dd...
     
  4. vrsurgeon

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    sure.. give me a day or so..
     
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    Ferrari switched from a full size spare to "spare tire in a can" on later Mondials. It's nice to have extra storage space and less weight to carry around without a spare tire. Also, if you have different wheel sizes on the front and rear, you don't have to worry about spacers or wheel diameters.

    I belong to AAA; a flatbed directly to the shop prevents any potential damage from changing a spare on the road.
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  6. tazandjan

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    Tom- I carry a 12 volt compressor with me that hooks directly to the battery. Easy to then pump enough air into the tire to get you far enough (may take more than one stop) to get her repaired. Amazon has some good ones.
     
  7. Mozella

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    I replaced my can of factory "goo" with a 12V compressor which also has it's own can of "goo". There is a valve to select goo plus air or air alone. In addition, I carry one of those DIY tire repair tools, the kind which uses a T handle tool, some glue, and a short piece of rope like substance to plug a nail hole. In theory I should be able to remove a nail, plug the hole, and inflate the tire. Or, if I can't find the leak, I can inject the goo and top off with air as necessary on the drive to a tire shop.

    If that doesn't do it, I can call my tow insurance company and let them recover the car. I've never had car recovery insurance before I bought my first Ferrari. I've never used it, but frankly I'd rather have recovery insurance than a spare tire. Plus, a spare tire doesn't help when one of the ECUs shoots crap.
     
  8. howl

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    A nail does not trouble me. Only time I blew a tire there was a gash in the sidewall. Only a spare would work. Interested in more info on the Volvo option.
     
  9. tazandjan

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    Tom- Hunt for 5x108 mm bolt pattern space saver spare tires. Since the front and back tires differ in diameter by nearly an inch (~4%), anything you get will be a compromise. Plus, since Ferraris use wheel bolts and not studs and lug nuts, you will have to have a spacer or the wheel bolts will bottom out. Either that or order custom wheel bolts to match the spare width once you have figured out what length you need. You will also need some straps to tie the wheel down in the front compartment.
     
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  11. howl

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    Thanks Terry. The thing I was wondering about is clearing the rear CCM. Wondering if someone had a specific answer to save the trial and error on clearance.

    By the way, thanks everyone for the responses so far, very helpful.
     
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    OK.. so had a chance to pull it out of the attic.
    My policy if I get a flat: 1) Use the fix a flat I have in the car -then if that doesn't work- 2) call the sweetie to help me out with the spare. Or, if traveling long distances, take the spare.

    So I bought this spare on ebay: Volvo V70 XC Spare Tire T135 90 R17 | eBay

    Perhaps this one should wok better: Genuine Volvo S60R V70R Spare Wheel and Tire 2004 2005 2006 2007 | eBay
    since its allow and seems to have more room for the caliper..

    When you fit my cheap spare (BTW don't pay more than 30 bucks for it) and you put it on the car, there not enough offset due to the caliper. See pics. But it will fit.

    So I went to lowes and hot glued some 5/8 x 1" spacers onto it. It may need additional washers as I didn't really crank it down.. so I carry a few with me..

    Alternatively I would have cut a piece of 1 to 1 1/2' thick plastic and used that as a spacer.. but these should let me get a few miles to get a tow.

    If this is too rickety or doesn't look the part.. then buy an official spare.
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  14. tazandjan

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    Tom- I would worry more about clearing the front 380 mm rotor than the rear 350 mm rotor, unless you are worried about the extra caliper for the hand brake.
     
  15. pourquoi_ne

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    I've got a factory spare wheel in my 360. I have often wondered what would happen if I got a puncture in a rear wheel. Would the rear wheel go in the boot? I've never tried but I doubt it. So I would put it in the passenger seat. But if I had a passenger it would have to go on their lap. My wife would love that! I carry it around because I've got it but I'm not at all convinced its worth the hassle! (That's the wheel BTW not my wife!!)
     
  16. vrsurgeon

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    If I ever need it it might just go behind my seat.. or in the trunk..
     
  17. howl

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    I had originally thought that. Like vrsurgeon my plan a is to use the can of goo. Plan B is probably flatbed. So I was thinking I could find even a bent front with an old tire that I could take on long trips or ge t someone to bring to me (my brother once got stuck with his Porsche on a road that would not allow flatbeds and got someone to bring him a wheel). Anyway, I was told the front wheel will not fit over the rear calipers. So I assumed the rear was the problem. As I am typing this I am wondering if the real issue front going to back is offset.

    My hope is I put a lot of energy into this and it proves to be a waste of time. To date, in almost 40 years of driving I have only had one flat that the goo would not have fixed.

    Vrsurgeon, thanks for the info. Others, please keep info coming.

    I think my first choice is a used scud spare if I can find one at a reasonable price.
     
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  18. howl

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    I figure it is easier to figure out what to do with a wheel and be mobile, then what to do with a car if you can not get a flatbed in a reasonable amount of time.
     
  19. tazandjan

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    Here are the offsets so you know what you are working with. Not sure about the 360, but no way a rear Maranello wheel is going anywhere in a 575M. Probably have to hide it and come back for it. Not that much difference in offsets on a 360, but the rears are 2.5" wider.

    360

    Five Spoke and Modular 18”, 5 X 108 mm
    Front 7.5J X 18 ET 31.5 mm, Rear 10J X 18 ET 38.95 mm
     
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  20. howl

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    Thanks. Are these the same as a 430 (I just purchased a 430 with CCM)
     
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