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  1. Traveller

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    I assume you are happy with Mechanikers info, but if you need more info, let me know.
     
  2. Traveller

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    #2502 Traveller, Jun 21, 2014
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    Update on the mechanical side of things having now spoken in more detail to those whom were there on Dyno day, and we have agreed a plan.

    It was somewhat of an un intended result that we actually got that 604 reading, regardless of the ensuing discussion, as that was not the point of the session. The real point was to ensure that we had successfully integrated the Motec installation with our new engine and turbo set up, that all was good on the engine installation and know we are producing adequate power. That told us we need to fit new injectors to get enough fuel into the cylinders for when we ramp the boost up and go for power. If we fit the injectors now, we will have to have another dyno session just to get the engine to run satisfactorily, but with so few hours on the new motor, we would not be in a position to do a full power run. In short, pointless.

    Consequently, we have decided to finish off the car and actually get it on the track for a limited shakedown and see what other issues we have to resolve. We then need to get a total of say 600 miles or so under our belt to ensure the motor is properly bedded in.

    After that we will fit the new injectors and return to the dyno for a full power session, turning up the boost and revs, as right now we have kept it low so as to minimise stress on all components. We also have to decide where to fix our rev limit, 7,500 being safe, but we are pretty confident we can go further, again something for the later session. I am thinking 8,000.

    Overall the plan after a hard and expensive 20 months is softly softly, tempting though it may be to rush things and just go for a big dyno figure.

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  3. PAUL500

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    Yes thanks Mechaniker, but it would be good to have moto confirm what they use as well please, belt and braces and all that, last thing i want to do is ruin a mould by misunderstanding and using the wrong stuff/process and it gets stuck fast!
     
  4. rossocorsa13

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    Tim--

    Thanks for the update. Any plan on the specific nature of those 600 miles? Would you do them on the road/track, or can you do them on a (very) extended dyno run while simulating forward motion with various load?

    Just don't see this car--given its strict nature--covering 600 miles that quickly. And I want the project to be finished and complete, just because it's so cool.

    :D
     
  5. Carolina Dyno

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    The best way to break it in would be on track where you can achieve high load and vacuum throughout the full rpm range. It's the only way to do it safely and monitor it the whole time.
     
  6. Traveller

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    It will probably be a combination of road and track, given the car will be road legal, however, it will definitely start on track and it will take what it does, but hopefully not too long.
     
  7. F40-R

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    Tim, when will you be posting the video online?
     
  8. Traveller

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    #2508 Traveller, Jun 23, 2014
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    The core we used is made by " 3D core "contact details www.esccomposite .com .......... all layers are held in place with the contact adhesive which must be used sparingly as over application will weaken the components resin.
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  10. Bas

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    Never seen this type of material used before with carbon fiber!

    Hexcel.com - Core Materials, HexWeb® Honeycombs

    That's what I'm used to seeing.

    Is the 3d core to be lighter?
     
  11. PAUL500

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    Great, thanks Tim your a star :)
     
  12. Traveller

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    I believe that type of honeycomb is used with Prepreg as the Carbon Fibre material only adheres to the surface areas of the honeycomb . If we used that type of material with the resin infusion method all the voids within the honeycomb would fill with resin resulting in an over heavy brittle piece.
     
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    Ah, missed the part that you're not using prepreg :)
     
  14. Traveller

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    #2514 Traveller, Jun 23, 2014
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    First of a series of pics showing the three " sacrificial layers " being laid down with spray glue, which will enable the expoy resin infusion.

    The 1st stripy material is a rip film, the 2nd layer is " donut paper " and the 3rd is a netting which maintains a space which aids resin flow when a vacuum is pulled. The butyl strip which will adhere the edges of the vacuum bagging is in place but covered with a protective tape to keep it clean.
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  15. jjeffries

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    This thread has replaced reading car mags for me. You, Kev, James, Richard and Collin are like modern-day versions of Seagrave, Leo Villa, Alf Francis (wrong era, i know) et al, in those lovely sheds at nearby Brooklands, even if you aren't going for a Land Speed Record. Except we didn't get to look over their shoulders every step of the way. Maybe what we need next is a 24/7 live video feed from Mototechnique, so we can just watch these guys do their thing. John.
     
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    #2516 Traveller, Jun 24, 2014
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    Original and flattering-thank you and I hope we manage to keep your interest for the rest of the project.

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  19. FerrariDublin

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    Jeez, it's a labour of love isn't it?

    Bring on the 3D printers with Carbon Fibre "Ink Cartridges" - much easier!
     
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    Print entangled nano-tubes, heck yeah lol
     
  21. Traveller

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    Hoping to see something in the next few days so might have something to post as a starter next week.
     
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  24. Steve V.

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    I've read all 127 pages in a period of about 5 days and I have to say this is probably one of my favorite threads on the Internet. The attention to detail is amazing. I really appreciate you taking the time to document this so that we may all enjoy the restoration of a fine piece of machinery. I don't remember if it's been mentioned before but I would have this car professionally photographed when it's finished. This would make a great coffee table book for gearheads.

    Steve
     
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