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  1. dcmetro

    dcmetro F1 Veteran

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    That's a "Flag of convenience" like the mega yachts all registred in weird locations...

    The owner probably lives there a few months per year.

    So all the money He doesn't spend on taxes, he can spend it in Ferrari a One-off
     
  2. Garretto

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    Tax haven, that says it all...

    You can bet the car will hardly ever be phisically there.
     
  3. MisterMaranello

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    But you can't just register a car in one place and just about never use it there, let alone use over prolonged periods in other countries that you have residence in. Not sure about the legal formalities, but many countries in Europe have pretty strict laws concering this.
     
  4. Garretto

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    I'm neiter sure about the details but there you have the TRS being enjoyed outside Guernsey, for starters.
     
  5. PaulK

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    I really like this car. I am not an open-air motoring kind of guy, but what a beautiful ride.

    I really like the front, the rear, and especially what they did for the "Aero Bridge" by extending the bridge down the side of the car. I think the F12 should have had that from the get-go.

    Ferrari is on a roll with their V12s!
     
  6. MisterMaranello

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    #181 MisterMaranello, Jun 23, 2014
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    I'm not saying it's illegal to take the car on tours or road trips. But lets say he registers the car on Guernsey and has the car there for <180 days a year. Rest of the year he's living and driving it (and the rest of his cars for that matter) somewhere else. Many countries would deem that sort of use illegal, as they considered it as tax fraud.

    Some European countries allow you as a resident up to 21 days (or is it 14, can't remember?) of driving a car on foreign/export plates. After that, you have to register the car on local plates.

    But this sort of thing is really a grey area... Would like to see a more qualified user chime in on the subject. I'm just a couch expert.
     
  7. dcmetro

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    The dude is filthy rich and has dinner every week with top politicians ... so he doesn't give a F____ About laws

    My personnal guess.
     
  8. F2003-GA

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    TRS looks amazing But not worth the money - IMO
     
  9. MisterMaranello

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    Plenty of rich people who don't have politicians in their pockets...
     
  10. dcmetro

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    What's the point of being rich in this case ?

    Anyway... Back on topic.

    Are the black body parts made of Carbon fiber ? according to that pic it seems to be the case.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/sextamarcha/14271326069/in/photolist-e64mck-e64kS8-dDEz1T-e69QZL-mSFcx5-n7AxmQ-nybpDu-nM3235-govz9S-e642iH-dDRPt2-e63XKz-e69BT5-iy6uCZ-e69D8q-govd5q-bBRkb2-nZpVRd-nK7tCA-o2v71w-nK7h32-nZyq3b-dEHprA-o1QFtu-o3K1bR-nYV8Nw-o1uDtg-nZeyiH-nH4b8c-ezPfAA-o1Ce4d-nLc1W2-nLbaeZ-o3xSh5-o1CdVY-o5rTP4-8yr1ba-boWnKY-bBRjmT-e1czFr-o3pbyY-o54rJc-kJX76g-9EctwQ-9Ectxw-d4K22Q-eCvpyi-nFjakN-g1ixsw-dzTNu9

    I really don't like that "invisible" carbon fiber similar to the one used to make the GTO diffusor...
     
  11. MisterMaranello

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    We were very much on topic. Discussion how he's going to use the car.

    The CF is matte finished as opposed to the regular clearcoat.
     
  12. dcmetro

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    Thanks for the clarification concerning the CF... I was wondering... is it a simple finish matter ? I mean if I had ordered a GTO with the diffusor made of CF in regular clearcoat... would have Ferrari accepted ?
     
  13. Garretto

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    The whole point here is that the car is presumably based in Guernsey (if I was right with the plate) just as the owner must be (oh well...) because of tax purposes, BUT that doesn't prevent the owner at all from enjoying driving around rest of Europe pretty much whenever he wants. Exactly how many months a year we don't really care, do we? :D
     
  14. MisterMaranello

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    Shouldn't have been an issue to do that, no.
     
  15. NürScud

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    Great shots!
     
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  17. dcmetro

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    "its owner paid a reported $4.2 million for the privilege of never seeing another one at the local cars and cappuccino meet-up"

    ahahaha

    Cars and cappuccino lol
     
  18. jumpinjohn

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    Yeah, I'm gonna pass on this one too.





    :D
     
  19. GHG

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    Huh, I guess it's silly for me to comment on it but it seems that $4.2m should have gotten you more than a restyled body/interior. However, if the new owner is happy then that's all that matters.
     
  20. Igor Ound

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    It's not an hybrid
     
  21. JasonSpidey

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    That's pretty much what all the Special Projects cars are, from what I've heard. Even at those prices, Ferrari doesn't want to modify the mechanicals.

    I don't blame them; cars these days are a lot more complex than in olden days, when as long as the mechanicals lined up, you could jam any engine that'd fit beneath the hood. There's a lot of lines of code to rewrite and a lot of electronics to reprogram - more headache than it's worth for a single car. At least Ferrari seems to think so.

    (And FWIW, they're not alone in that. Look at the single-digit production cars from Lamborghini like the Veneno, or the McLaren MSO X-1; insane new bodies and revised interiors, but almost identical power trains to the parent models.)
     
  22. DeSoto

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    Some say that the guy ordered two of these.
     
  23. Caeruleus11

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    Jason, its not just that. If they modify the mechanical parts there is a point at which they would have to certify it as a different car for US DOT and probably European TUV purposes and that means new crash tests....
     
  24. MisterMaranello

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    Correct. For SP12EPC I believe there were 3 cars. One clay mockup, one crash car and the production car delivered to Eric Clapton.

    If they would have changed anything mechanically I think it was noted that they required something like 6 independent crash test.

    It's not that Ferrari says no. It's that people aren't ready yet to pay ~$10M for an SP car.
     
  25. DeSoto

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    But then, how Pininfarina made the new Stratos, the Rolls-Royce Hyperion and the Ferrari P4/5? Those have serious mods apart from the body. The Stratos even had different wheel base.
     

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