What the hell is wrong with Ferrari's F1 team

McLaren is never down for long.

 

McLaren need another top flight driver if they want to have a chance at winning titles again.

 

Before you throw LdM under the bus again, remember that it was his stewardship of the F1 team that turned 1973's dismal season into 1975's dominating championship. It's often been believed that if he hadn't left that position in 1976 in favor of Audetto, Lauda would have easily won the championship, accident or no accident.

 

Ancient history.

 

That's over 40 years ago. Also note that LdM was the one that got rid of the best team combo that was ever there.

Ldm needs to be thrown under several buses if you ask me; and then let him play with the Ferrari road cars.

 

They dont even need him for that at all. Get Mattiaci to do that and find someone to run the racing team and not a road car manager. ITs time for Ferrari to simply separate those functions. Its way over due.

 

Schumachers´s Five in a Row are not so ancient and Montezemolo was there too.

Although yes, even Rosberg´s win 3 days ago will be forgotten if he doesn´t repeat it next week.

 

Yes indeed. But Luca wants his ego massaged, hence I would stick him in the road car division .

 

Todt had LdM just where he wanted him. Thinking he has things to say buy really, anything F1 related was Todt, not LdM.

 

And Luca couldn't wait to get rid him,Todt and Brawn.
Having ceded control once he's not willing to do it again.

 

LMP2 has been more competitive even than LMP1 lately. It's a great category.

 

I´m not interested in debating this, but it´s quite funny how sometimes for some reason a speculation becomes an undisputed fact.

 

You're not interested in debating, just making points?
I'm not sure it works that way.

When Brawn explored returning after his sabbatical he was rebuffed. Todt was quietly shown the door. We all know the circumstances of Michael's exit.

Since then they've won nothing.

 

And the source for all that?

I´m not saying that it couldn´t happen. Actually I think that it´s quite pausible. But what I´m saying is that it´s not a fact and yet people is eager to throw Luca under the bus for that, as if there were not more evident reasons for throwing him.

But oh, well, ferraristi love the "folklore" asociated to the brand.

 

You are right, unfortunately ! (sigh)

I see GP becoming dominated by budgets, aerodynamics and electronic gadgets.

I think I saw it at its best a few decades ago before wings, traction control, etc... and on challenging circuits.

 

You can start by reading the piece in Motorsport by Mark Hughes that I referenced previously.

The Ferrari world owes Luca a huge debt. Without him the marque wouldn't be what it is today, if it still existed at all. That doesn't mean that he's the man to be holding the reins when it comes to F1 in the modern era.

 

Mark my word: McLaren will follow Ferrari.

When Ron Dennis goes, it will become another soul-less corporation.

Ron Dennis is to McLaren what the Commendatore was to the Scuderia.

 

I know it. It´s quite folk too.

 

I too despair at the state of F1 today but if Ferrari choose to compete they owe it to the fans, and even more, to themselves, to field a team for the modern age.

Yup. The man has a lot of well earned detractors but what he's accomplished is worthy of respect.

 

Don't get what you're saying.

 

finally someone starts to make sense among the BS. This thread is unbelievably stupid.

 

And that characterization raises the level of discourse in what manner?

 

Supposedly journalists and historians have to quote reliable sources and all that. If they don´t do it, it´s not history what they´re talking about, but speculation, hearsay, or some kind of "folklore" that nobody knows where it came from. Just like the 90% of the stuff we read about F1. Nothing bad in that as we´re here just for the fun, but it is what it is and we should not forget it before expressing strong opinions.

Anyway, as I´ve said, I didn´t want to debate this as it´s just a rethorical issue. Back to topic.

 

It would be great if F1 and Ferrari weren't so opaque but if we rely on official statements or wait for those involved to go on the record nothing new will be learned. While original sources are preferred historians often have to rely on inference and logic.

The topic is what's wrong with Ferrari's f1 effort. To me this fish stinks from the head down.

 

Thats very true. I think Luca did change both the road cars and the racing cars direction. He brought in changes, and it worked. I just don't understand why he kicked out the dream team, and why people are so quickly to blame him for everything these days.