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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by DrewH, Jun 27, 2014.

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  1. southnc

    southnc Formula 3

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    Interesting...

    If you go to page 5 ("Owners' Take"), every single owner would NOT recommend this car to anyone. This confirms to me that both the 348 and 355 are Ferraris to avoid.
     
  2. phrogs

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    The valve guide issue is over blown. If you have the problem get them fixed the Sintered steel are soon to be replaced by Ferrari with Bronze (BRONZE MAGNESIUM) Valve guides.

    way to many people getting wraped around the axle about mechanic stuff they do not understand.

    Belts and Bearings are always talked about here way to much but every 3 years? Not this guy Ill go with 5 years maybe.


    As for not recommending the car to anyone from forza..really they found people to say it like that they also could be made up Forza likes to bash certain cars like all v-8s. Some kind of agenda there because there are plenty of owners in the 348 355 section that love the **** out of these cars.

    Its a car it needs work. Go talk to any Machine shop working on heads about how many cars have Valve guide issues on these compact small valves. Pleanty of them.

    It also doesn't need to cost you Thousands to do the cylinder heads. But if you want to pay that much then ***** about it have at it.



    I would like to see what the OP had to have fixed that cost that much and what needed another 13K??

    please advise so we can really know what you went through. Instead of just I spent this much and this car sucks ass.
     
  3. jimmym

    jimmym Formula 3

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    I would not take those opinions as gospel. But if you read that page closely one of the owners was on his second 355. If the 355 was that bad, why buy another? Another owner stated that is was his favorite Ferrari of the three that he owned. Knowing what the cars potential problems are is the most important thing that I would take from this article. There are plenty of happy 355 and 348 owners on this forum. I have had my car for almost three years and would recommend the car to others.
     
  4. jimmym

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    Johnny, I am with you on the interval. More like 5 or more. Another Ferrari owner I know has an 1988 TR, he did his major at 7 years. Guess what, the car didn't blow up because it wasn't done at the 3 year mark.
     
  5. TrojanFan

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    This type of conversation goes stupid real fast. New high end stereo and interior shouldn't even be in the cost discussion. Those are purely owners discretion items not maintenance items. Take those out and the cost comes closer to $3000 per year. Now back out over priced OME parts that could have been replaced by better quality aftermarket at 1/4 the price (cats) and you are down to a much more managable number. Go even further if you want and do some simple work yourself and a $400 oil change becomes $150. These cars aren't for everyone but with some research and a bit of hands on they can be kept up for a reasonable number. Sure the engine out belt service is a hassle but most are comfortable with a 5 year schedule so budget yourself about $150 per month for that and you're covered on that expense. There will be done other suprises along the way but its a Ferrari. Get a Toyota with a warranty if you don't want any issues. Otherwise get out and drive. Nothing better.
     
  6. southnc

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    That is good to know.

    I just got a Ferrari 612 HGTS F1 - the last Ferrari to have the dreaded belts. I think they recommend replacing them every 4 years; but, I'm hoping for 5 - 7 years. And the engine should not have to come out either.
     
  7. jimmym

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    One last thing with regards to the owners, one owner has owned two 355's, bought a second 355 which now has 45000 miles, and a total of 19 years of ownership. The other owner has 121,000 on his. Has had the car since new in 1997. The ironic thing is "They Still Own Them".
     
  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    And I guess that disqualifies them?
     
  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #59 Rifledriver, Jun 28, 2014
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    Talk about people taking trash on a subject about which they don't know ****.

    Several people were talked to. And I personally know the 2 who made it to print. You really are sounding a little like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist here. None of those several recommended the car and it was a real surprise to the editors. Only representative samples were printed. Every person who submitted a portion of that piece did so with complete ignorance of what anyone else was going to write.

    Have you read comparable pieces there on any of the other V8 cars? How can you say anything so uninformed as suggesting a universal bashing of the V8 cars? Sorry but that is really stupid.
     
  10. DrewH

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    Actually I wasn't including the $15,000 interior or any paint work in the $60K. If you those things it would be $85K. I guess according to you my ad should have stated: Any looky loo that isn't a really serious buyer is welcome to come to my house even though I don't know you or your intentions and I will let you test drive my car?

    As for basing 355's: You could buy just about any new car these days and drive it the same amount of miles without even changing the oil and only putting gas in it. You wouldn't be doing five or six engine out $10K services. The 355 is an amazing car but it is an absolute piece of junk!

    Nice try.
     
  11. DrewH

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    As for the $10K to diagnose the loose wire: Three mechanics at Ferrari of Vancouver were working on it and even involved Ferrari for advice as they were totally stumped. I guess I should have just had you come over and solved the problem in thirty minutes for me and then I would have been able to drive the car more than twice last year. $20K in a year and two whole drives yay.
     
  12. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Wasting your breath


    What you will never get across to these gentlemen is that a minority of car owners ever work on their own cars. They do and that's great but they are the exception, not the rule. Time spent needs to be paid for and despite their protestations to the contrary not everyone who performs a task for hire is an idiot or a thief and those costs need to be factored into the ownership costs for any car.
     
  13. vrsurgeon

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    Yeah I love that. Its not the cars complexity.. its perfect. Its the owner thats the problem. This fanatical bull**** peeves me regardless of the model.
     
  14. tr512

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    Is that so Drew.
    I think you should go back and read your thread that you started.

    AM I BREAKING SOME SORT OF RECORD
    Then you will see that the polish for 8k is there.The numbers just dont add up to 60k without the sound system and interior.

    Drew im not saying you should let any looky loo drive your car...But when you state in your auto trader add...your words not mine.

    1 I will have to PRE QUALIFY ANY NEW OWNER JUST TO SEE THE CAR
    2 IF YOU WANT TO TEST DRIVE THE CAR GO RENT ONE
    Are you kidding me who in there right mind would would pay $67000.00K with tax for a car. that they have not driven.
    Like i said Drew i think you sold your car to cheap. i know a few people that would of bought your car,but not after they read your add.
    You even cut down the new owner saying he's going to turn the car into a BEATER because he's going to drive the car on dirt roads.Your words not mine read your post #26
    Did he tell you when and where he is going to drive the car?
    Like i said Drew no hard feelings i'm only stating the facts.The new owner got a great deal.
     
  15. jimmym

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    Not at all, its just if the cars were that bad and the owners wouldn't recommend why would anyone purchase a second one and why would the owners still have them after all these years.
     
  16. DrewH

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    1) Maybe you invite every stranger you meet online to your house I don't. I wanted to know who I was giving my address to. I have other more expensive cars in my garage and probably $100K worth of tools and other stuff in plain view. If someone is serious I am sure it wouldn't be a problem letting me know who the heck they are so I am comfortable.
    2) Yes, I had many looky loos who clearly were not even interested in buying the car who just wanted to drive it including kids.
    3) The new owner left my house in a major rain storm and was driving it to northern Alberta. You have obviously never driven from Calgary to Edmonton or you would know that it is a more suitable drive for a pick-up truck. His own words were that his town has a lot of dirt roads and pot holes. I never drove the car in the rain ever.

    My new nickname for you is: Mr.Assumption.

    I'm only stating the facts!
     
  17. tr512

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    I live in the same neck of the woods as you do.I dont remember any rain storm a few days ago...i had my top down.Yes i agree you dont have to let every stranger have your address ,but you can allways meet them somewhere with the car .I was just wondering when you bought the car did you test drive it?
    You still didnt answer my question about the 8k polish that you said was not added in your thread? Do the math to get to 60k.
     
  18. Rifledriver

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    #68 Rifledriver, Jun 28, 2014
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    I find nothing hard to understand about that at all. But maybe I just understand people better. It is pretty clear by your statement you are reading a great deal into their statement so that must be your break down. They are both very intelligent people and have no trouble expressing their thoughts.

    Read and listen to peoples words for what they are and what they mean and quit inserting your biases. That usually results in better understanding.
     
  19. ferraripete

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    There is so much misinformation in your boxer knowledge I don't know where to start. Maybe in another thread :)

    1000 lbs heavier? A Whole Lotta LOL ING
     
  20. G. Pepper

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    This whole, "Porsche is objectively a better car" schtick should disappear from the internet forever, though I know it won't. It doesn't matter how much better model-X Porsche is than model-Y Ferrari, I would not own a Porsche. Ever. They do nothing for me.

    It's like the tall, thin supermodels who are elegant, refined, and objectively very, very beautiful. I appreciate that, but they don't give me a chubby. Gina Lollobrigida gives me a chubby.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  21. ferraripete

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    I just cannot let this kind of post stand w/o a response. First I have a full euro bbi w/ sport headers and sport exhaust...fast car to be sure. To compare the speed of a 930 off boost with a boxer is....laughable at the very best. 930 is stronger than a boxer...any version of the boxer.

    76 930 is the fastest? Wrong!!! 3 3 intercooler cars were and remain faster. I owned both versions.

    Please don't pedal false info. Now back on subject. Sorry for the diversion all.
     
  22. texasmr2

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    Good luck, panties are twisted already and soon the wet noodles will appear.

    Peace!
     
  23. Shark01

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    Turned on by an 86 year old? You sir, are a man of unusual taste.
     
  24. southnc

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    Owner's Manuals
    Dry weight 365: 1,235 kg (2,723 lb)
    Dry weight 512: 1,596 kg (3,519 lb)

    Close enough.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Berlinetta_Boxer
     
  25. jimmym

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    Who said that they weren't intelligent people. I didn't. Talk about inserting a bias. I could understand if DrewH wouldn't recommend the car given some of the problems that he had with his and stated that the car was junk, but then he just sold his. These owners seemed to like the cars except for the maintenance which was stated in the article.

    I guess if I had a bias I do like the cars and would tell potential owners to do their homework before purchasing one if they like the model. That applies to all cars and not just the 355. That how I approach any car that I am interested in so there won't be any surprises.
     

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