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Is F1 being killed off for a new series?

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  1. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    With the latest comedy rules that are being brought in, adding to the clown college handiguide current regs, and now Monza apparently being dropped, is Bernie killing the Formula 1 brand?

    Think about it:

    One of the rules about the tracks having an F1 race is that they can not have a similar series come and race on the track too (whether this series exists or not is irrelevant). This was done obviously so that if a rival F1 series (call it GP1) where to come along, they couldn't tempt F1 teams away because who would guarantee that GP1 would be as succesful as F1?

    Back when most contracts where still in place, F1 had races on most of the greatest tracks in the world. A rival series would have a serious problem getting enough followers for their series to be succesful enough to attract big sponsors and big money if they're only racing on tracks no one cares about.

    F1 now has plenty of tracks that no one cares about, but because there is no rival series in place we don't really have a choice. F1 is also being held on a couple of ''key'' tracks (Monza, Spa, Monaco).

    Now with the silly engine, hideous cars, fuel saving races, horrible noise and a 30% drop in figures compared to last year...soon might be the chance for GP1 to get going.

    I say GP1, because old buddies Ecclestone and Briatore own the name (inclusive of GP2 and GP3, so the support races are there in an instant). CVC still owns a big chunk of F1, and they will always want more money. Why should they want a track that can pay 15 million only, when there are countries jumping with 30 or more million in their hands, begging for a race? They only want to see numbers....

    Ecclestone and Flavio are sneaky enough and have good enough lawyers to pull this off in a big sweep. They have both loudly complained that the lack of noise is going to make people disinterested in F1.


    Say what you want to about the two, but they will know a thing or two about making a series so incredibly spectacular that a big majority of the fans (and more importantly, the teams!) will make the jump to GP1. Bernie hates CVC having the control they have...now he and his mate can be in full control again.
     
  2. IamRobG

    IamRobG F1 Rookie

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    Nice theory, but doubtful. Its the name recognition of Formula 1 and the legends that raced in it.

    I wish i was a multi-billionaire for more reasons other than the obvious. I would single handedly start a new formula racing series.
     
  3. LightGuy

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    Formula 1 is not Bernie, the tracks, the FIA, CVC Capital Partners or any of that.

    Formula 1 is Ferrari, Mclaren, Williams, Red Bull, Lotus etc.

    One of these days the teams are going to get their act together.
    One of these days...
     
  4. tervuren

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    Monza isn't be dropped, as much as Bernie has stated he's not giving them a special deal.

    It remains to be seen if Monza is dropped or not. If Monza is too small a venue to pay up - why would a second series want to run there?
     
  5. Bas

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    :)

    And I would strike just about now...

    Give the designers a box and let them do what they want:

    Maximum stipulated amount of downforce. Get there how you want (no movable aero devices such as fans)
    N/A 2.5 liter engines with minimum 100kg weight (so that not everyone jumps at a V8)
    ERS system like in use in F1 at present moment (combined power units should provide over 1100hp)
    Big, fat slicks
    Open wheel cars, open cockpit
    mechanical differentials that can not be controlled by any computers


    1st year completely open testing for all teams. Year after the constructor that wins gets the last amount of testing milage, and then trickles down (up?) to the last guys, who can sell their mileage to richer teams (there will always be richer teams) to recoup some cash they lack in sponsorship.

    A personel cap of lets say 120 people per team.

    Surely that'll be a pretty serious rival series to F1 in it's current state.
     
  6. Bas

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    Monza can't afford the 25m+ that countries are willing to pay up.

    When the number was 15m it was really stretching what they can afford. Remember that Bernie/CVC takes a chunk out of almost everything that the track owners can make a buck out of. AFAIK, they even take a slice out of what the vendors make!

    Countries who need the tourism don't care if the track makes a loss, the track owners certainly do. If the country sponsors the whole event, no problem...

    If GP1 was to charge for instance 12m, they'd definitely get a good amount of proper tracks involved, and everyone will be happy.
     
  7. Bas

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    Yup. Hence why I'm saying that Bernie/Flavio are able to convince them to jump ship so to say.

    Whether the drivers are the GP1 world champion or F1 World champion, whichever is the true pinnacle of racing, will matter. The history will follow it, so to say (however you word it, I can't think clearly today).
     
  8. dennymeister

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    I think the series can run cheaper if they have a lot of races in Europe
    so they don't have to fly. I think a lot of people would love to see races at


    Spa
    Nurburgring
    Hockenheim
    Monza
    Imola
    Barcelona
    Hungary
    Monaco
    Silverstone
    Magne Cours
    Austria


    you could have 11 races at european venues.

    then go to

    Suzuka
    australia
    Malaysia

    (back2back to save costs)


    Turkey (great track)
    Abu Dabi
    Bahrain


    Austin
    Brazil
    Canada


    You could start in Australia move to malaysia & japan

    Do a european season go to Americas and finish in middle east.
    you have 20 fantastic races on real circuits, and only one 1 streetrace in monaco for legacy.


    some ppl missing circuits or would drop others?


    I also think if you have 20 races you can generate revenue with entree fees
     
  9. Bas

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    Completely agree.

    I wouldn't need bahrain and abu dhabi on the list though.
     
  10. hairy_scotsman

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    Interesting theory Jas. I tweeted it out & posted it on our facebook page for more discussion. (facebook.com/gpamericas, twitter @austin_f1, twitter @gpamericas)
     
  11. crinoid

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    Isn't he just devaluing it to buy it back?
     
  12. Wolfgang5150

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    Honestly, I'm following F1 less and less. Sure there are the random great races, but I can't think of a sport that has done more to alienate it's fan base every single year.
    Hell it's 2014, and I'm not paying $10 for an app to get live timing!
     
  13. Bas

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    Could be!

    If he does I hope he looks up this thread and takes up my advice.

    Or he could just hire me and I'll do it for him, lol :D
     
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    IMO a lot of rich people make themselves richer in F1, so why kill of a cash cow, it ain't going anywhere.
     
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    Because the teams couldn't organize a p!ss up in a brewery never mind organize themselves.
     
  17. IamRobG

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    So basically the 80's but with more safety. I like it.
     
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    Can't read the whole thing but the question is being asked by F1 experts now...
     
  20. ricksb

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    I think what we are seeing is F1 being transformed to catch the eye of who Bernie believes will be the future targeted fanbase. Just as Ferrari designs have changed over the last 15 years to attract new buyers in emerging markets, so is F1 being "redesigned" to catch the eyes of the new, emerging "power-consumer" market. In the Information Age, technology is a mandate and Bernie is looking out beyond us F1 purists and trying to determine who will be the most financially feasible fans in the future. The cars don't resonate well with those of us beholden to a past generation, but they are technological marvels that may be very interesting to the millenial 'greenies', the technologically sophisticated, and seekers of change/customizatoin.

    For their sake, I hope the F1 honchos have good insights that tell them that fans like us are no longer relevant or on the road to obsolescence. Because, without a doubt, they are not thinking of what we want in this modern version of F1. They better be able to fully engage their target, or F1 risks becoming sports 'wallpaper' in the same way CART did.
     
  21. Bas

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    I can tell you now that IF that's the plan, it's not going to work out well for F1 and the series will fold very quickly.


    Younger target audience is needed. Motorsport isn't as popular with young people as before...they spent all their time on social networks and youtube. Stream it live on youtube for instance, plenty of cash to be made. It wouldn't be impossible or hard to make a very sophisticated live internet stream programme like Sky has, with multiple cameras of your choosing, live timing etc, even if the added cameras + live timing would be at a small fee...I'd definitely buy that, and I'm sure many here would too. Choose your own commentary team etc...

    All that needs to happen is someone to convince Ferrari, Mclaren and garagistes like Williams and Sauber and the rest will follow, F1 will fold almost immediately.
     
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    #22 ricksb, Jul 1, 2014
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    I think that, without a doubt, the current generation does not care about cars, speed and F1 as in the past. I think Bernie and the gang are trying to figure out how to reverse trends by forcing the cars to reflect the values of the younger target. I, like you, don't think it will work. F1 needs to stay true to what it is, but find a way to appeal to a newer demographic by exposing them to the spectacle versus changing it to patronize newer generational values.

    There's a balance between tailoring and selling-out, and I think this version of F1 has breeched that balance.
     
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    If it is really true that the current generation doesn't care about cars, speed and F1, then there is really no point in trying to do anything to keep F1 relevant, is there?

    As long there is an interest in racing, there will always be a pinnacle of some sorts. Whether or not you call it F1 or GP1 or whatever.

    Nothing lasts forever but F1 is not dead yet. It isn't even on the intensive care. Sure, there is some work to be done, but for now I haven't seen any steep drops in viewer numbers and track attendance.
     
  25. Remy Zero

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    The teams should just get together and try to drive that greedy prick out.
     

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