The KIMI SUCKS Thread

?? Kimi was a James Hunt fan long before Rush. Years ago, he entered a snowmobile race wearing a gorilla suit and under the name 'James Hunt'; more recently, 2 years ago he raced at Monaco wearing a James Hunt tribute helmet design.

 

. Kimi just wants to get paid.

 

You may well be right.

I think that some drivers are affected by the limit on testing. Some adapt to the new on 2014 cars faster then others. Kimi seems to be the case.
It took him several GP before he was confident with the assisted steering on the Lotus.
Now, the brake-by-wire seems to bother him and undermine his confidence, among other things.
But he is prevented to do some mileage to get used to it.

 

Its a sad thought that the current state of F1 doesn't have a place for someone like Kimi.

 

Speaking of deserving to get a ban for a race or two for extremely dangerous driving - I never understood why Alonso wasn't banned for a season or two for his dangerous driving in Brazil 2003. One of the stupidest, most dangerous incidents ever seen in F1, yet he got off scot free.

Webber has just had a huge crash on the uphill curve approaching the start line, he had debris strewn across the track (including himself still strapped into a wheel-less monococque). There were double yellow flags waving all the way up the hill, the safety car was being deployed, and idiot Alonso charged up the hill, full throttle, completely ignoring the double yellow waved flags, and piled into the debris and crashed, causing the race to be red flagged. Completely baffled me that he didn't receive at least a one race ban.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DWB0YSZlzk]alonso and webber crash in Interlagos 2003 - YouTube[/ame]

Here's another link, showing Webber's crash at 2:55, then nearly 90 seconds later, Alonso being the biggest idiot ever: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIUJtpEQFwQ[/ame]

 

At today's standings, I think Ferrari would want Ricciardo more than Seb. More positive vibes with equivalent talent and more years to be groomed.

I have yet to see Ricciardo not smile or moan/whine like an annoying schoolgirl when things don't go his way.

 

I think it's silly to blame Kimi for the crash last week. I'm sure he doesn't even know the bump was there. It was in the heat of the moment, he rushed back, got caught out by the bump.

Pretty similiar to Aussie 2006 when MS got caught out at the start/finish straight.

 

Man, those cars really sounded good back then, didn't they?

 

Great point!

And where was Schumi's ban?!

Buxton is catching a lot of flack on this one atm, not from people who are just Kimi fans.

 

Prost was hampered by 6 retirements in 91 and the car was not good but still finished 5th in the WDC and won it in 93 in a very different car than he had ever driven before. So you should remove Prost from your list.

MS was past it from 2001 on IMO, ie the car was so good, i could have won and Barichello even!

The main driver that has trouble with significant car changes is Seb, as you pointed out rightly in 2010 he really struggled. I think he is unique in using rear grip for performance and really clicked with the exhaust defuser which is now gone. Seb is no superstar or MS, he just clicked with a particular car IMO. A good driver is always fast and adapts, heck Fangio won 3 WDC's in a row in 3 different cars!
Pete

 

A driver needs to know the track.

 

From 2002 on I will give you that. But MS was NOT past his prime in 2002. He was on the podium every race, a staggering achievement no matter how good the car was that I doubt will ever be equaled again.

 

Probably because he drove a brilliant race despite the penalty, still bagged some solid points, and has scored 90% of Ferrari's points this year?

Now which driver deserves the real criticism, the one that drove from the rear of the pack to get a solid finish or the one that destroyed his car in spectacular fashion on the opening lap of the race, taking out a couple other drivers in the process? Real brain buster there...

 

Senna shouldn't be on this list either. He was on pole all of the three races he was entered and got taken out at the first corner in Aida. He was leading at Imola when the incident happened.

 

But he struggled in the races with the handling -spinning out in Brazil and DNFd the other races. He put in monstrous efforts to qualify it on pole

My point is that even great drivers struggle if the car has poor (to them) handling characteristics.

 

Yeah but he picked the best cars (and kudos for that)!

 

Really?

Prost, Seb, Hamilton, Alonso all had great seasons afterwards - so they weren't declining. Schumacher was past it for sure. Senna was still at his peak.

 

Seb's 2010 struggle I don't count: He got the title that year.
This time it might be different.

Senna struggled and died.

Alonso hasn't won a title since. Granted that one is down to the car. He isn't path his zenith.

Hami's struggles in 2013 I don't count either: He was getting used to the car.

MS, we agree.

More importantly there are countless examples of WDCs (and runners up) who blitzed their title and then the next year were a mere shadow of themselves and dropped out of F1 or became hangers-on. Hunt, Jones, Hakkinen, Hill, Villeneuve come to mind. There are many more.

 

Don't forget Lauda

 

i agree that drivers, engineers even tyre changes, peak but all the drivers you have now listed were not top of the grade. Hakinen to be fair lost focus due to starting a family but the rest while good will never be in the top F1 drivers list.
Pete

 

Er a definite mistake picking on Lauda here. Definite top grade driver who made a come back and won another WDC!

Lauda is ten times the driver than Kimi ... but now is an old man! Way passed his prime but few have been able to retire and then return when they actually neede money (for his airline) and win again.
Pete

 

Wow I forgot about this race, what a mess that turned out to be, I'll put the blame on that idiot Mosley and his ridiculous cost cutting measures.

 

I rewatched the race recently; Brundle made the classic comment ''well, all that cost cutting for the entire season has been thrown away in about 3 minutes there'' (on the T3 river that threw about 5 cars off into the wall).

 

lol ... race drivers view a yellow flag as an opportunity to gain on the guy in front, I know and they know they shouldn't but they do. It is part of their competitive nature.

Yes it was wrong of Alonso but I bet he has seen many double yellows where the cars were safely off the track as marshals over react so kept his boot in as the guy behind him would have too.

Witness how many drivers get caught in qualifying when there is a yellow ...
Pete

 

Er you completely missed my point. Andreas was talking about drivers that won a title and then their performance fell off dramatically the next year...Lauda won the WDC in 1984 and then finished 10th the following year. His teammate Prost won the WDC in the same car in 1985.

He rapidly declined. Probably one of the best examples ever of that, actually.