The KIMI SUCKS Thread

I don't know. Let's assume Kimi wasn't there because he was passed out drunk in the corner of some night club, the crash would not have happened. The lack of a nightclub caused the crash. Not the style and type of re-entry.

Or, Let's assume the track wasn't there and F-1 racing took place as a video game; the crash would not have really happened, regardless of how Kimi re-entered the circuit. Reality caused the crash. Not the style and type of re-entry.

Together, you and I can think of other completely silly examples, but I think you get the point; i.e. KIMI CAUSED THE CRASH.

 

Fact is Kimi should not have been re-entering at all anyway until track was clear as per the rules.
Pete

 

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000
Pete

 

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"For a man who claims he just wants to be left alone, the Greta Garbo of Formula One sure has been attracting numerous headlines of late. "

 

-1. Its not about Vettel. Kimi was at the wheel and made a bad, rookie like split second decision. His fault purely and if Maldonado or some other lacking name with a bad history was at question here we all know the answer. Sorry but Kimi full well should be penalized. In this case he got a break he did not deserve. Completely avoidable by simply reducing throttle and re-joining in a much safer manner. He had ample time reduce throttle look left and rejoin. We expect that from F1 drivers and as others stated he violated the regs and caused a significant delay on a dry track and nearly killed possibly another driver. What part of that needs a break.

 

Personally I don't get why people are defending him.

I haven't spent much time looking at the crash but it looks like he came off the track on his own lol. But the reckless part IMO was the reentry. A lot of you are defending him but if exactly the same happened and it was maldanado driving we all know what you'd be saying...

 

He actually reentered the track into space for his car, he didn't hit anyone when he first came back on track. The bump speered the car back off track again into the barrier.

Once he hit the barrier, he had no measure of control over anything (crushed car, wheels flying off) and it was at this point that his car and bits of his car hit the cars of the other competitors. It was unfortunate for all involved.

It's racing, sometimes accidents happen. Questions start to be asked when it is constantly one driver having accidents race after race, often taking out people he's trying to pass - e.g. Maldonado. Raikkonen doesn't often crash into other cars so it is generally accepted that he's not a reckless driver, even if his extracurricular activities are sometimes crazy.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Yes that's the way I see it, however maybe he should have erred on the side of caution, and not kept his foot planted on the throttle when reentering.

But end of the day, he is a racing driver .

 

It actually looked like the car got a bit of air on rejoining and then the fronts landed first, with the wheel turned to line the car up with traffic. With the rears still in the air at that point, this caused the rotation of the whoke car and the rears landed effectively already in a skid. I'd love to see the onboard data, but I'd be surprise if he was on the throttle at that point.

I've only seen it live and on the replays at the track, so think I might watch the race again this weekend on the TV's catch-up service.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

In that he crashed the reentry was unsafe.

 

I can see we're not going to agree on this one.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Don't give up THAT easily.

 

The FIA (which included Mansell this weekend) studied the telemetry and concluded he did back off his throttle. They also concluded that if one where to not have an accident there he should've come to a virtual stop almost.


Hence why actual F1 drivers are saying that they would've done the same...But then, they have NONE of the experience of any of the armchair experts we have here.

The only ex F1 driver who commented Kimi was an idiot is Niki Lauda as far as I know.

 

In the end the driver is responsible.
That there was a ditch there is inexcusable but even if they'd all do it they'd all be wrong and unsafe.

 

Ok, it was what I read on here about the throttle, I have to admit, more fool me eh...

 

Tis tru, but I fink it twas a bump.

 

More sites with recommendations that Kimi leave now not later.
Crash.net has one and now PF1. Not the ultimate sites but its feeling more like Kimi is 'checking out' rather than attacking the tracks so to speak. He speaks of leaving in less than 2 years. Why wait.

Time For Ferrari To Cut Their Kimi Losses | Planet F1 | Formula One | Features | Editorial

 

HULK!

 

I missed the race since I was away for the holiday. Someone said Prost was number 2 next Schumi as best driver ever. I'm not so sure. Yes he was a "professor" but Senna was better clearly. Prost deliberately turned in on Senna at Suzuka when they were team mates. The footage shows he turned in many car lengths early to stop Senna's inside pass. This is where Senna's superior driving skill and courage can be seen. On a heavy braking chicane, a high speed, wide entry gives little benefit at all. Prost stayed wide to attempt this but to no avail. When Senna took the inside line and braked harder and later, Prost realized what he had done and did the only thing he could to stop him. On any low speed corner, you must NEVER give up the inside line unless you can under-over with your trajectory, given the space on the track. Once your speed drops below a sliding, cornering speed, the kind of "energy management" with a wide entry does you no good. And the escape road farce that followed was absurd. Schumi rose in the absence of Senna. Where would Prost be if Senna's steering column and the bloody track issues at Imola were different? He'd still be sacked by Ferrari

 

+1000

 

Poorly written article. Completely speculative and Alonso will be 34, not 36 once his deal is up with Ferrari. If you can't fact check something that simple then it makes you wonder...

 

True but in the overall the Kimi decision was impulsive and he is a Massa caliber disappointment thus far.

 

The rules at club level is you can only re-enter the track after the field has safely passed. Kimi did not do this therefore Kimi's fault.

Why F1 has it's own set if rules is beyond me. He left the track. Should have stopped, waited until the last car passed and then re-entered and then tried to make up for his first corner mistake.

It is time for the FIA to make a stand and stop this BS of using anything within a 100 km radius as part of the racing track and enforce the same rules and if you go off, you should suffer the consequences of your mistake.

It annoys me greatly that F1 constantly send confused messages to young racing drivers starting out in lower formula and then wonder why they grow up as dangerous drivers. F1 is not different it is just faster so should have 100% the same rules as club racing.
Pete

 

And why is this a surprise? He was no faster or better than Massa the last time he drove for Ferrari.
Pete